Originally posted by Beef Oven!
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The wisdom of Mr. Gove.
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Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostSo entirely predictable. I would have thought that its view that homosexuality is a "learned behaviour" and its teaching of creationism instead of evolution. contravenes Gove's 'British values'. It's not a question of 'British society' (which includes Muslims, of course).
To me its view on homosexuality is wrong, pure and simple, but as an agnostic, I'm unsure about how the world became the world.
But I don't see how either of these things could be a threat to British society.
And for the avoidance of doubt, when I said "And if the Islamic schools are doing the equivalent, I think they should be left to get on with running the schools as they wish" I meant the Islamic schools should be left alone. You do of course realise that the Christian school ceased trading 14 years ago.
Please leave the ''so entirely predictable" stuff out. You might jump to conclusions and think I'm predictable and I might think that you are a prick. But it's best left out of these discussions.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostI'm not sure that its view on homosexuality and creationism are show-stoppers.
To me its view on homosexuality is wrong, pure and simple, but as an agnostic, I'm unsure about how the world became the world.
But I don't see how either of these things could be a threat to British society.
What you, personally, believe is irrelevant - it's about what the schools teach and what Gove believes are 'fundamental British values'.
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Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostIt's not a question of a 'threat to British society'; it's a matter of upholding Gove's idea of 'British Values', which include "mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs", something the Academies sponsored by fundamentalist Christian groups clearly fail on.
What you, personally, believe is irrelevant - it's about what the schools teach and what Gove believes are 'fundamental British values'.
What I believe is central to my beliefs, if you'll pardon the tautology. So it's highly relevant.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostThat went over my head a bit ts , but it sounds interesting. Could you expand, or maybe put it another way?
if this IS a start point, I was just trying to point out that beliefs are notoriously fickle and changeable, and need great care, especially when being relayed to young minds.
So, Darwin wrote some important theories. How these might be interpreted and passed on , and how teachers deal with them, is tricky to say the least. I wonder how many classrom Junior school teachers have anything like a solid understanding of Darwin's work? (And I ask that respectfully).
Consider ones own beliefs 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago, and how they have changed.
As to intolerance of other peoples beliefs, well, that just follows on from the main point.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostEr um, I'll try, but it depended on my understanding that it was being suggested that teaching Darwinism instead of , for instance creationism, or some other set of beliefs , would be a British value. if that isnt the start point, then ignore what I posted.
if this IS a start point, I was just trying to point out that beliefs are notoriously fickle and changeable, and need great care, especially when being relayed to young minds.
So, Darwin wrote some important theories. How these might be interpreted and passed on , and how teachers deal with them, is tricky to say the least. I wonder how many classrom Junior school teachers have anything like a solid understanding of Darwin's work? (And I ask that respectfully).
Consider ones own beliefs 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago, and how they have changed.
As to intolerance of other peoples beliefs, well, that just follows on from the main point.
I think that the problem starts when people confuse beliefs with truths or facts, if you get my drift.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostThanks, I've got it.
I think that the problem starts when people confuse beliefs with truths or facts, if you get my drift.
Although truth and facts arent always easy to pin down.......I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostBut you got my drift!
Yes, truth, facts, reality - all socially constructed, aren't they?I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
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