The wisdom of Mr. Gove.

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  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    another case history; budgets being cut in VIth form colleges despite their excellence [not universal but it never is in any endeavour eh?]
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 20570

      Starvation is something G*** doesn't understand.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        I note with some disgust that Labour are allowing Gove's "reforms" to stay, on the basis that they are "successful".

        :yikes: I'd like to know what he regards as a failure, in that case.

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        • MrGongGong
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          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          I note with some disgust that Labour are allowing Gove's "reforms" to stay, on the basis that they are "successful".

          :yikes: I'd like to know what he regards as a failure, in that case.
          Which further reinforces the pointlessness of bothering to vote for any of them IMV

          Fuckwits the lot of em

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            I note with some disgust that Labour are allowing Gove's "reforms" to stay, on the basis that they are "successful".

            :yikes: I'd like to know what he regards as a failure, in that case.
            Well that shouldn't be a surprise. People have got a downer on Grove and don't see that he has made some important positive changes. Labour can see that.

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            • MrGongGong
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              • Nov 2010
              • 18357

              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              Well that shouldn't be a surprise. People have got a downer on Grove and don't see that he has made some important positive changes. Labour can see that.
              Don't you start that crap again
              When you were pressed to say what positive changes you seemed to draw a bit of a blank

              Don't be taken in by the suit

              Here are some "positive changes" I have witnessed

              Schools where they no longer teach music
              Schools where the staff feel so exploited that they don't do school trips any more
              The National Plan for Music Education (England) which doesn't contain the word Improvise (isn't that what Bach and Miles did ?)

              and so on and so on zzzzzzzzzz

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                Don't you start that crap again
                When you were pressed to say what positive changes you seemed to draw a bit of a blank

                Don't be taken in by the suit
                I'm not taken in by a suit (I've got better suits than him anyway).

                I do not recall being 'pressed' (suits again) about Gove. When was it that you asked me anything factual about Gove then?

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                • MrGongGong
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  I'm not taken in by a suit (I've got better suits than him anyway).

                  I do not recall being 'pressed' (suits again) about Gove. When was it that you asked me anything factual about Gove then?
                  I can't remember but I do recall you saying something similar and then wavering somewhat
                  but I might be mistaken

                  but even so
                  the point is that he is dangerous, arrogant and ignorant and has managed to alienate almost the entire teaching profession !
                  Which I guess is an achievement of sorts ?

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37715

                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                    I can't remember but I do recall you saying something similar and then wavering somewhat
                    but I might be mistaken

                    but even so
                    the point is that he is dangerous, arrogant and ignorant and has managed to alienate almost the entire teaching profession !
                    Which I guess is an achievement of sorts ?
                    I thought Grove wrote a big music dictionary - so he did do something useful.

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                    • Beef Oven!
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                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      I can't remember but I do recall you saying something similar and then wavering somewhat
                      but I might be mistaken
                      Mistaken, probably - I'm no waverer.

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        Mistaken, probably - I'm no waverer.
                        Well you are very quiet on Man U at present.

                        But on Gove and educational matters I am with MrGG.
                        With Grove, I may be with you.

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                        • Eine Alpensinfonie
                          Host
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20570

                          You got to read this.
                          Further to the question of 'hey Gove, where have the title deeds of our state schools gone?' there is a post on the Guardian comment is free...

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                          • Beef Oven!
                            Ex-member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 18147

                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            Well you are very quiet on Man U at present.

                            But on Gove and educational matters I am with MrGG.
                            With Grove, I may be with you.
                            You're welcome to him!

                            Utd are taking a sabbatical, hadn't you heard?

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                            • MrGongGong
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 18357

                              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                              Corrupt, dishonest and wrong
                              A sad state of affairs indeed

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                              • teamsaint
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 25211

                                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                                THanks for that link EA.

                                a really shocking piece.
                                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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