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Lib Dems - the party we can trust???
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostAnarchists don't go to Brahms gigs, they try to get into his train carriage, brandishing a revolver.
Who Killed Bambi?
(Edit : I did see a bloke at the RFH who was wearing red trousers. Was he an anarchist , do you think? )I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View Post(Edit : I did see a bloke at the RFH who was wearing red trousers. Was he an anarchist , do you think? )
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Originally posted by teamsaint View Postl(Edit : I did see a bloke at the RFH who was wearing red trousers. Was he an anarchist , do you think? )It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostMe too. The UKIP is dynamic, ever-adapting.
If Scotland opts for independence later this year, that United Kingdom will be reduced in size, population and number of constituent countries. Once Catalunya's referendum for independence from the remainder of Spain's been held a few weeks after the Scottish one (and perhaps especially if that, too, results in its independence), all eyes - or at least very many - will likely be on the distinct possibility of Wales aiming to follow Scotland's suit, encouraged by Scotland's successful bid for independence. Independence for Wales will in one sense be of even greater significance than that for Scotland, since it will signal the end of Great Britain. What might then happen to Northern Ireland would be anyone's guess, I suppose, but I cannot see much mileage in "the United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland", can you?
Anyway, the point here is that, without thoroughly reinventing itself as an organisation that would almost certainly be largely unrecognisable to its current supporters, UKIP will inevitably be dependent upon the continued existence of the United Kingdom and, if that finally bites the dust, it'll find itself obliged to change a good deal more than just its name (albeit hopefully not to the "English Defence League")...
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostI cannot agree about the former but it will certainly need to be the latter. Just think of what its acronym stands for - the "United Kingdom Independence Party". That suggests a party whose intended rôle is to represent those who might support in in four countries known as the United Kingdom of which three make up Britain as it is currently constituted; it also appears to stand for the notion of "independence".
If Scotland opts for independence later this year, that United Kingdom will be reduced in size, population and number of constituent countries. Once Catalunya's referendum for independence from the remainder of Spain's been held a few weeks after the Scottish one (and perhaps especially if that, too, results in its independence), all eyes - or at least very many - will likely be on the distinct possibility of Wales aiming to follow Scotland's suit, encouraged by Scotland's successful bid for independence. Independence for Wales will in one sense be of even greater significance than that for Scotland, since it will signal the end of Great Britain. What might then happen to Northern Ireland would be anyone's guess, I suppose, but I cannot see much mileage in "the United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland", can you?
Anyway, the point here is that, without thoroughly reinventing itself as an organisation that would almost certainly be largely unrecognisable to its current supporters, UKIP will inevitably be dependent upon the continued existence of the United Kingdom and, if that finally bites the dust, it'll find itself obliged to change a good deal more than just its name (albeit hopefully not to the "English Defence League")...
MrGG will be along soon, and he is the house UKIP commentator!
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post...if you must keep talking about the UKIP.......................................
Mr Farage signed the foreword to the 2010 manifesto as the "chief party spokesman," along with Lord Pearson and Mr Campbell Bannerman.
It said "While withdrawal from the European Union superstate is central to UKIP's message, the party has a full range of policies that have helped it grow to become Britain's fourth largest political party."
Mr Farage also launched the manifesto at a press conference in Westminster, saying it was time for "straight talking" in British politics.
Explaining why he had now disowned the document, he told LBC: "Malcolm Pearson, who was leader at the time, was picked up in interviews for not knowing the manifesto.
"Of course he didn't - it was 486 pages of excessive detail. Eighteen months ago I said I want the whole lot taken down, we reject the whole thing...
"I didn't read it. It was drivel. It was 486 pages of drivel...It was a nonsense. We have put that behind us and moved onto a professional footing."
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Originally posted by Beef Oven! View PostA rather eccentric take on things, but if you must keep talking about the UKIP
Never mind; back to the LibDems and their trustworthiness!Last edited by ahinton; 25-01-14, 16:38.
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