Lib Dems - the party we can trust???

[amateur51]

Move to another constituency then; if your neighbours vote for a candidate who's slightly to the right of Goebbels you can't have much in common with them. My MP is from the valleys and went to a Glamorgan comprehensive school.

My LibDem MP lives locally, has announced that she's standing down at the next election and yet she still votes with the Government on the Lobbying Bill, despite loads of people writing to her about the dangers of this and suggesting that she should read the independent report of the Civil Society Committee Chaired by Lord Harries of Pentregarth. She's immune from constituency pressure because she's not standing again and so she's taking the lolly and has become an Untouchable for over two years.

She was orininally elected on an anti-Iraq war platform when the sitting Labour MP died.How sad. How infuriating!

[MrGongGong]

Move to another constituency then; if your neighbours vote for a candidate who's slightly to the right of Goebbels you can't have much in common with them. My MP is from the valleys and went to a Glamorgan comprehensive school.

Blimey.... you REALLY DO believe that politicians reflect the constituencies that they supposedly represent
which I find extraordinary

My neighbours are lovely people
the people who vote for bigots and dickheads aren't
but given that we don't have fair votes (now who messed that one up as well ??) its a bit of a farce

[french frank]

Blimey.... you REALLY DO believe that politicians reflect the constituencies that they supposedly represent
which I find extraordinary

I said IF they vote for him. If they don't, other people in the neighbourhood do. I didn't say anything about politicians 'reflecting their constituencies'. I meant a lot of their constituents vote for them.

Are you suggesting that if the LibDems hadn't attempted to get voting reform (and messed up) we'd have proportional representation now? :-)

[ahinton]

I said IF they vote for him. If they don't, other people in the neighbourhood do. I didn't say anything about politicians 'reflecting their constituencies'. I meant a lot of their constituents vote for them.

Are you suggesting that if the LibDems hadn't attempted to get voting reform (and messed up) we'd have proportional representation now? :-)

...and, if so, which kind? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proport...representation in which a list of countries that have adopted some form of PR includes no less than 20 of the currently 28 EU member states)...

Moving contituencies is a pretty drastic action to take but, in any case, it's not only voters but also those who redraw electoral boundaries that can change an elector's voting environment.

[french frank]

it's not only voters but also those who redraw electoral boundaries that can change an elector's voting environment.

And of course the treacherous LibDems reneged on their coalition agreement by refusing to back the changes proposed which would have been advantageous to the Tories.

All the more outrageous since the current boundaries do favour Labour. Hell doth occasionally have no fury like that of a coalition partner whose plans to reform the House of Lords and the voting system are scuppered. Though on voting reform, Labour has historically been no more cooperative than the Tories.

For myself, I may well withhold my vote at the next election, but I shall certainly remain a member of the party since that indicates, in my view, support for and engagement with a particular philosophy or values, not simply support for the party in Parliament/government at a particular moment.

[jean]

For myself, I may well withhold my vote at the next election, but I shall certainly remain a member of the party.

That does seem extraordinary to me!

[french frank]

That does seem extraordinary to me!

I explained my reason, which you removed. It's a wider party that I'm a member of, supporting the philosophy and values which someone still needs to uphold, even if the temporary Parliamentarians don't.

But, then, I know someone who resigned from the party (SDP) because they sent her regular requests for (voluntary) donations. That sort of person shouldn't bother to join a party.

[jean]

I explained my reason, which you removed...

Sorry. I was trying not to repeat too much, and as there was no gap between my quote and the entirety of your post, I thought everyone would see it.

Even taking your reason into full consideration, I am surprised.

[jean]

I sincerely hope we can trust the LibDems to make the right decision with respect to this.

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[Beef Oven!]

IT JUST GETS BETTER!!!!

Maybe the LibDems felt the Labour Party had stolen a march on them in currying favour with Paedophiles! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-26381712

Or is it just that this 'Joke Party' will do anything to get or keep their snouts in the trough?

[amateur51]

IT JUST GETS BETTER!!!!

Maybe the LibDems felt the Labour Party had stolen a march on them in currying favour with Paedophiles! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-26381712

Or is it just that this 'Joke Party' will do anything to get or keep their snouts in the trough?

Meanwhile Farage plays a subtle Little Englander "nothing to do with race whatsoever"-card, feeling "uncomfortable" on a train until he got to Grove Park because up to then he had not heard English spoken.

The twisted way in which The Mail has raised the PIE/NCCL link is the pits. In the 1970s there was nowhere near the level of public awareness of child abuse/paedophilia as there is now because the Cleveland child abuse scandal occurred ten years later. The atmosphere was very different but that's not a good story, is it?!

[french frank]

IT JUST GETS BETTER!!!!

Maybe the LibDems felt the Labour Party had stolen a march on them in currying favour with Paedophiles! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-26381712

Just enter the name of any UK political party (haven't tried the Greens!) and the word 'paedophile'

As late as 1981 the Observer had an explanation of exactly what the word meant: raking up sinister 'connections' between people who were closely connected to an organisation which was connected to another organisation which was, at that time, known about and legal - is trying to score cheap political points.

Like this one. The point of principle for those local councillors appears to be that they hold the view that someone is innocent until proved guilty. But that is another despicable view of liberals, I presume.

[Beef Oven!]

Just enter the name of any UK political party (haven't tried the Greens!) and the word 'paedophile'

As late as 1981 the Observer had an explanation of exactly what the word meant: raking up sinister 'connections' between people who were closely connected to an organisation which was connected to another organisation which was, at that time, known about and legal - is trying to score cheap political points.

Like this one. The point of principle for those local councillors appears to be that they hold the view that someone is innocent until proved guilty. But that is another despicable view of liberals, I presume.

Clegg believes people are innocent until proven guilty too - natural justice has got nothing to do with this. The facts speak for themselves.

And there are many despicable things about the current breed of LibDems, a rudimentary application of the Magna Carta not being one of them (but perhaps you were being sarcastic, and didn't really presume it).

[french frank]

Keep up the campaigning, Beefy. I'm sure there are those, even on these unfrequented shores, whom you can persuade to vote UKIP rather than Lib Dem on the grounds that UKIP can at least be trusted

[Beef Oven!]

Keep up the campaigning, Beefy. I'm sure there are those, even on these unfrequented shores, whom you can persuade to vote UKIP rather than Lib Dem on the grounds that UKIP can at least be trusted

I resent your accusation that I am campaigning on behalf of UKIP, and I think you should retract it.

But if you want to give the UKIP valuable air-time, I can stop you no more that I can stop MrGG, ahinton, et al from publicising the UKIP, any moment that I mention anything vaguely party political, or Europeanistic.