Lib Dems - the party we can trust???

[Beef Oven!]

In my case only because I sought to put forward - as indeed I stilll do - the fact that there is not a single political party that inspires anything like as much trust as at least one of them needs to do; that's not a slight against UKIP per se but against all of them.

You can't stop talking about the UKIP. Very well, it's a free country.

[Beef Oven!]

Harrison Birtwistle.

Oh, sorry - wrong thread!...

Vicar in a tutu

[ahinton]

Vicar in a tutu

Is that supposed to be an anagram of something?

[ahinton]

You can't stop talking about the UKIP. Very well, it's a free country.

Indeed you can't - but it may not be the same free country soon, as I indicated earlier...

[MrGongGong]

Indeed you can't - but it may not be the same free country soon, as I indicated earlier...

It's not free as long as those clowns in Brussels are in charge.
We need to return to solid British values like a

an ‘Exclusive Economic Zone’ extending 200 nautical miles from the UK’s coastline over which the UK exerts total control

"dynamic and ever adapting" ? or rather severely geographically challenged?

[Beef Oven!]

It's not free as long as those clowns in Brussels are in charge.
We need to return to solid British values like a



"dynamic and ever adapting" ? or rather severely geographically challenged?

YouGongKip?

Btw, nice post. Adjust the number of nautical miles and you're there. You'll get the hang of it. Check with your fellow UKIP-traveler ahinton, from time to time.

[MrGongGong]

You don't seem to know where France is?

Reminds me of the great chumbas

Danbertnobacon

Kippernokipper


SO lets keep the PDO

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=214801935067985382336.0004ef734d0081481e7be&msa=0&ll=54.033586,-3.032227&spn=7.940877,21.643066&iwloc=0004ef871147dff67f4e3

[ahinton]

We need more people like Nige in politics!!!

Doesn't just one of them provide sufficient and much-needed entertainment?

[ahinton]

YouGongKip?

Btw, nice post. Adjust the number of nautical miles and you're there. You'll get the hang of it. Check with your fellow UKIP-traveler ahinton, from time to time.

YOu mean the one who occasionally uses French words and is supposed by some to be a "clever-clogs" merely for so doing?

As to "travellers", "fellow" or otherwise - usually, when I travel to France, I take a night ferry, so anyone discussing my travelling arrangments with me could, if so they wished, say something like "UKIP on the boat, then?"...

Happy now?

Good.

Let#s get back to the trustworthiness or otherwise of the LibDems.

[MrGongGong]

Let#s get back to the trustworthiness or otherwise of the LibDems.

I thought we had established that they can't be trusted?
The real issue IMV is that if no one who is in politics can be trusted what do we do?
It's a bit like a logic puzzle

There are 4 people called A, B, C and D. Three of them always tell the truth. One of them always lies.
Person A says that person D is telling the truth.
Person B says that person C is lying.
Person C says 'I am telling the truth'.
Person D says that person B is lying.
Which person is the liar?

[Beef Oven!]

Let#s get back to the trustworthiness or otherwise of the LibDems.

Hurrah!!!


P.S. I'm sorry if I hit a raw nerve, I had no idea that 'Clever-Clogs' was your nickname at school.

[ahinton]

Hurrah!!!

P.S. I'm sorry

There's really no need to be.

if I hit a raw nerve

You didn't hit any, raw or otherwise.

I had no idea that 'Clever-Clogs' was your nickname at school.

Unsurprisingly, since you did not know me during my school days and I had no nickname at that time; still, better even your unfounded suggestion, perhaps, than having Nick as my clever-Cleggs name at school...

[french frank]

I thought we had established that they can't be trusted?
The real issue IMV is that if no one who is in politics can be trusted what do we do?
It's a bit like a logic puzzle

It depends what the public's expectations are. No one, politician or not, can be depended on to keep their 'promises', 100%. The question with politicians is not whether in a general sense you 'trust' them, but how you assess their reasons for not keeping their word.

One side thinks the LibDems have simply colluded with the wicked Tories, the other side is up in arms because they've hindered the Tories from carrying out their programme.

Btw, anyone remember what the unemployment rate was just before the last election? Or are people selective about what they remember and what they forget?

(Heh, heh, I begin to feel like scottycelt in being a lone voice :-) )

[MrGongGong]

It depends what the public's expectations are. No one, politician or not, can be depended on to keep their 'promises', 100%. The question with politicians is not whether in a general sense you 'trust' them, but how you assess their reasons for not keeping their word.

One side thinks the LibDems have simply colluded with the wicked Tories, the other side is up in arms because they've hindered the Tories from carrying out their programme.

Btw, anyone remember what the unemployment rate was just before the last election? Or are people selective about what they remember and what they forget?

(Heh, heh, I begin to feel like scottycelt in being a lone voice :-) )

You are Scotty in disguise?

It's not (IMV) a case of one side VS the other though. That's what they want us to believe.
Seems a very unimaginative way to run things when you decide to choose between the most convincing liar.

They all default to the strategy of appealing to self interest when it would be much better IMV to be more compassionate and empathetic. Believing that somehow the world is against you and you have to 'get one over' everyone else before they shaft you will just make you sad and ill.

[amateur51]

It depends what the public's expectations are. No one, politician or not, can be depended on to keep their 'promises', 100%. The question with politicians is not whether in a general sense you 'trust' them, but how you assess their reasons for not keeping their word.

There's an important aspect missing here, of course. In the death throes of the last General Election, Mr Clegg launched a massive campaign (a pledge) for the votes of students and parents of students. Once in negotiation with the Tories to form a government, Mr Clegg's pledge became negotiable, apparently.

I do understand that 'No one, politician or not, can be depended on to keep their 'promises', 100%' and Mr Clegg has given us a very demonstration of that, Unfortunately for him and for the LIbDems specifically, and possibly for politicians generally, Mr Clegg de,omstrated that when a politician makes a very specific pledge targetted at the votes of a specific group of people and beyond, he cannot by trusted. He was just trying to buy votes, votes that he may not have had had he not made that pledge. And if he had not had those votes, he may well not have been a viable coalition partner. It is that lofty but casual way of treating people's votes that ordinary punters can't stomach.

I suspect that this may be why he is not able to his own way re Lord Rennard, sadly - the LibDem hierachy knows that he is damaged goods in the eyes of the electorate and wants rid of him before the next election and sees this as a way of achieving it.

A dirty game, politics.