Lib Dems - the party we can trust???

[french frank]

Here's something the" much loved by the Libdems" EU is up to,

http://www.realseeds.co.uk/seedlaw2.html

another blow for freedom.

The smokies and Rhubarb got off lightly.

The Real Seeds people are incorrect in saying that the Commission (unelected civil servants in Brussels) 'draws up law'. And they seem to be really chuffed that their(?) campaign and (elected) MEPs have made such a difference to the Commission's 'law'.

Reading in Christopher Clark's book about WW1, it's chilling to learn of the memorandum of 1844 which drafted a blue-print for a 'unification of all Serbs', especially when we remember the Greater Serbia which the Serbs were attempting to achieve in the 1990s. Tito's Yugoslavia, a union of the southern Slavs, had kept a check on Serbian ambitions: when Serbia is safely in the EU, Europe will be a safer place. I think that's more in line with LibDem concerns than everyone being allowed to grow their favourite carrot.

[teamsaint]

but its about much more than the freedom to grow our favourite carrots isn't it? (and the carrot issue is about only sterile varieties being available, if I read it correctly).
It's about how big (agri and other)business enforces its will the world over, with elected representatives and bureaucrats doing their will.

The woes of developing world farmers , and the strife that follows when people become desperate are surely part of the same problem?
Leaving aside Serbia, (which is important I accept), much off the violence, fear, shortage and danger of the world is the direct result of western (including EU member) governments seeking to further their interests, and those of their financial lords in the city, arms producers and others.

If the EU could free itself from the grip of the banks (and others big money interests), perhaps, just perhaps, it might be worth believing in. Until then , for me, it is part of the problem, not part of the answer.

But then I still can't figure out why everybody dislikes big government , unless its the supranational variety . Must be me, I suppose !

Libdems main concern I would guess, will be the forthcoming disaster at the polls next time round.

Edit: and yes, this IS how we anarchists like to spend Saturday afternoon.

[french frank]

but its about much more than the freedom to grow our favourite carrots isn't it? (and the carrot issue is about only sterile varieties being available, if I read it correctly).
It's about how big (agri and other)business enforces its will the world over, with elected representatives and bureaucrats doing their will.

The woes of developing world farmers , and the strife that follows when people become desperate are surely part of the same problem?

I merely pointed out that, as a lobby group with some interest in the matter, they appeared to have a very vague idea of how the EU actually operates, which must affect the way they think about it too. A point which has a general application.

[teamsaint]

I merely pointed out that, as a lobby group with some interest in the matter, they appeared to have a very vague idea of how the EU actually operates, which must affect the way they think about it too. A point which has a general application.

Fair comment.

And a worrying one.
I wonder how many board members know the name of their MEP? I don't.

[jean]

I wonder how many board members know the name of their MEP? I don't.

You haven't got one - you live in a very large constituency and you've got several.

One of mine is Nick Griffin.

Because MEPs are elected by a proportional system, it's really important to use your vote. If only a small number of people had been aware of this, he wouldn't have been elected.

Look at this table, and weep!

[Beef Oven!]

I do not and would not usurp your rôle in that but, more importantly, what's supposedly "eccentric" about it?

Never mind; back to the LibDems and their trustworthiness!

I never start talking about the UKIP, I only have to mention the LibDems, or anything slightly political and you and he of less than three gongs, but twice as many as solitary one, start gnashing away about the UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!

[teamsaint]

I never start talking about the UKIP, I only have to mention the LibDems, or anything slightly political and you and he of less than three gongs, but twice as many as solitary one, start gnashing away about the UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!

its because they have time on their hands, not being footy fans.
Don't take it personally !!

[Beef Oven!]

Oh please let's!

Mr Farage signed the foreword to the 2010 manifesto as the "chief party spokesman," along with Lord Pearson and Mr Campbell Bannerman.

It said "While withdrawal from the European Union superstate is central to UKIP's message, the party has a full range of policies that have helped it grow to become Britain's fourth largest political party."

Mr Farage also launched the manifesto at a press conference in Westminster, saying it was time for "straight talking" in British politics.

Explaining why he had now disowned the document, he told LBC: "Malcolm Pearson, who was leader at the time, was picked up in interviews for not knowing the manifesto.

"Of course he didn't - it was 486 pages of excessive detail. Eighteen months ago I said I want the whole lot taken down, we reject the whole thing...

"I didn't read it. It was drivel. It was 486 pages of drivel...It was a nonsense. We have put that behind us and moved onto a professional footing."

Inspirational honesty!!

We need more people like Nige in politics!!!

[Beef Oven!]

its because they have time on their hands, not being footy fans.
Don't take it personally !!

HaHa!

You may indeed have a point. See if you can get them to watch this. If I try, they'll just start publicising the UKIP all over again.

[MrGongGong]

We need more people like Nige in politics!!!

Yeah right
Rude twats of the world unite

we need more dickheads in charge ......... (to replace the dicks who are currently in charge)
more of the same shite i'm afraid

[Beef Oven!]

Yeah right
Rude twats of the world unite

Your place?

[MrGongGong]

Your place?

Shoplifters

[Beef Oven!]

Shoplifters

Don't panic

[ahinton]

I never start talking about the UKIP, I only have to mention the LibDems, or anything slightly political and you and he of less than three gongs, but twice as many as solitary one, start gnashing away about the UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!

In my case only because I sought to put forward - as indeed I stilll do - the fact that there is not a single political party that inspires anything like as much trust as at least one of them needs to do; that's not a slight against UKIP per se but against all of them.

[ahinton]

Don't panic

Harrison Birtwistle.

Oh, sorry - wrong thread!...