Lib Dems - the party we can trust???

[Beef Oven!]

and the Kippers scandals are all about the dancing blue elephants that are controlling our minds with Flemish telekenisis !

Deluded ? Moi ? surely not

The moment you trust ANY of them you are in trouble.
Scissor monitor ?

Let's talk UKIP!!!

[MrGongGong]

Let's talk UKIP!!!

How on earth can anyone with more than one brain cell imagine that politicians of all varieties can be trusted on anything escapes me. The kippers are just like the rest, no different, no alternative to the sad old nonsense that the others spout.
David Blunkett (who's dog was the only sentient mammal to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions !) said some hilarious nonsense on R4 the other day about people who are disillusioned with politics.
What none of them realise is that many people think they are all useless, it's not a case of voting FOR but AGAINST. The kippers seem to think that people agree with them BUT in reality they just hate everyone else and "any port in a storm" seems to be the way to go.

Farage is a dishonest rude loudmouth who should stick to propping up the bar in his golf club.

[Beef Oven!]

How on earth can anyone with more than one brain cell imagine that politicians of all varieties can be trusted on anything escapes me. The kippers are just like the rest, no different, no alternative to the sad old nonsense that the others spout.
David Blunkett (who's dog was the only sentient mammal to enter the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions !) said some hilarious nonsense on R4 the other day about people who are disillusioned with politics.
What none of them realise is that many people think they are all useless, it's not a case of voting FOR but AGAINST. The kippers seem to think that people agree with them BUT in reality they just hate everyone else and "any port in a storm" seems to be the way to go.

Farage is a dishonest rude loudmouth who should stick to propping up the bar in his golf club.

UKIP are an alternative to all that, not just a port in a storm.

[MrGongGong]

UKIP are an alternative to all that, not just a port in a storm.

But they aren't at all
They are the same kinds of people
with the same economic ideas
run by another rich boy who thinks there is a conspiracy to take away his toys

No difference, just more angry unhappy people
Same old shit i'm afraid

(but what is more puzzling is WHERE on earth are all the Bulgarians and Romanians ? They should be here by now surely ? I've put on my CD of "Les mysteres de voix Bulgares" and opened a bottle of my finest Suika but they don't seem to want to come to my party? :-( )

[Beef Oven!]

But they aren't at all
They are the same kinds of people
with the same economic ideas
run by another rich boy who thinks there is a conspiracy to take away his toys

No difference, just more angry unhappy people
Same old shit i'm afraid

(but what is more puzzling is WHERE on earth are all the Bulgarians and Romanians ? They should be here by now surely ? I've put on my CD of "Les mysteres de voix Bulgares" and opened a bottle of my finest Suika but they don't seem to want to come to my party? :-( )

UKIP has different economic ideas. Taking the lowest paid people out of tax altogether (Clegg Nicking that one!), free-trade agreements with Jamaica, Pakistan, Turkey, India, Russia, China and everyone else! Tax holidays for new businesses, eradication of stifling, bureaucratic workforce legislation. Things that will assist wealth-creation and help lift people out of relative poverty.

[MrGongGong]

UKIP has different economic ideas. Taking the lowest paid people out of tax altogether (Clegg Nicking that one!), free-trade agreements with Jamaica, Pakistan, Turkey, India, Russia, China and everyone else! Tax holidays for new businesses, eradication of stifling, bureaucratic workforce legislation. Things that will assist wealth-creation and help lift people out of relative poverty.

Same old market driven capitalist crap
Getting rid of the so called "stifling, bureaucratic workforce legislation" just means that the rich folks can go back to employing children to work in mills again !
Demanding the freedom to exploit and abuse in the name of "wealth-creation" ? what a great idea ....... NOT

It's the same old nonsense that takes no account of how we need to increase well being rather than wealth.

No difference at all
just deluded nonsense i'm afraid

Why anyone thinks that having someone who is forever angry and rude in charge is a good thing beats me?

[french frank]

Why anyone thinks that having someone who is forever angry and rude in charge is a good thing beats me?

I'm sorry - I'll look to my behaviour in future!

[MrGongGong]

I'm sorry - I'll look to my behaviour in future!

:Laugh:

Benign dictatorship is fine by me :-)

I think one problem of contemporary society is that it's assumed that one model of interaction (i.e Competition) is universally appropriate.

[ahinton]

Mismatch alert there I think, Alister! One of the things that has to be pointed out is that the very system the voting population supports is the same as the one which politicians have no control over - hence the promises that can't be kept, the short-term thinking governed as much by accounting cycles as election cycles, and the exploiting to the max of positions gained in the political pecking order.

Alistair, actually! I don't disagree with you by any means but simply cannot see how this state of affairs would be materially different under a different system.

Well it wouldn't be irrespective of a different system which accorded rewards other than privilege and pecuniousness - that's what I'm saying!

But do you not accept that if a different system would itself not accord such things then at least some of those functioning within it would corrupt it so that they could derive their rewards and privileges outwith the provisions and requirements of that system?

The kind of spirit I am speaking of whould be that of the people who have written on here that they would be prepared to take on the running of Radio 3 out of love and wider responsibility than the personal, at a fraction of the salaries of those presently in charge. Earnings would in turn be spent on durable useful products rather than trash made not to last but rather for boulstering status in the great superiority/inferiority stakes illusion that keeps the machine ticking along on its power and privilege-perpetuating way.

I deprecate that as much as you do but I simply cannot bring myself to believe that some of the more deplorable aspects of capitalist malpractice will continue to rear themselves irrespective of the system officially in place because some people's determination that they will continue to do so, regardless of their consequneces in undermining that different system, will know no bounds.

[ahinton]

Let's talk UKIP!!!

Let's talk. You kip.

[ahinton]

UKIP has different economic ideas. Taking the lowest paid people out of tax altogether (Clegg Nicking that one!), free-trade agreements with Jamaica, Pakistan, Turkey, India, Russia, China and everyone else! Tax holidays for new businesses, eradication of stifling, bureaucratic workforce legislation. Things that will assist wealth-creation and help lift people out of relative poverty.

OK, if you say so, but I cannot help wondering now long any such agreement with Turkey would survive once it joins the dreaded EU!...

[ahinton]

:Laugh:

Benign dictatorship is fine by me :-)

I think one problem of contemporary society is that it's assumed that one model of interaction (i.e Competition) is universally appropriate.

Laugh from me, too! And yes, what you say is correct; we are all persuaded (or at least efforts are made to persuade us) that "competition" is all - the fundament of human existence and co-existence - without any apparent expectation of a need to try to provide proof for such an argument.

[MrGongGong]

OK, if you say so, but i cannot helpo wondering now long any such agreement with Turkey would survive once it joins the dreaded EU!...

I think they plan to use their special time travel powers to instantly negotiate trade deals with every country in the world for every commodity overnight........ seems simple to me? but what do I know, i'm just a simple noise merchant!

Loosing free movement in the EU would, of course, be to the detriment of our ability to go and hear live music. But why should we care about that when it's more important that rich people are able to abuse their employees?

[MrGongGong]

Laugh from me, too! And yes, what you say is correct; we are all persuaded (or at least efforts are made to persuade us) that "competition" is all - the fundament of human existence and co-existence - without any apparent expectation of a need to try to provide proof for such an argument.

Spot on

[amateur51]

I think they plan to use their special time travel powers to instantly negotiate trade deals with every country in the world for every commodity overnight........ seems simple to me? but what do I know, i'm just a simple noise merchant!

Loosing free movement in the EU would, of course, be to the detriment of our ability to go and hear live music. But why should we care about that when it's more important that rich people are able to abuse their employees?

They may decide to remove the protection from cheddar cheese and Abroath smokies if we leave too