Tom Daley's In Love ...

[Nick Armstrong]

Indeed, coming up to Christmas - the time is ripe for some anti-Catholic or anti-Marian cult bashing balderdash! Bring on the BVM and Mary Magdalen jokes! :-) (Plenty of sexist, anti-feminist scope there)
Only joking, of course .... :-/

She's bold, she's very bold...

[Anna]

She's bold, she's very bold...

Oh No She Isn't!! :-)
I shall retire from the P&CA thread forthwith ..... exit stage left, persued by a bear.

[Flosshilde]

. But since there are probably only two people on this forum who would dispute the validity of gay rights,

That's not entirely true, is it, ff? There might be only two people who are openly hostile, to the point of being homophobic, but there are others who express distaste at homosexuality or gay rights being discussed, who don't like it being 'pushed down their throats'. They don't realise, or understand, that the prevalent 'heterosexuality' of the board is oppressive to those who don't share their tastes, & that any discussion of homosexuality is actually fairly minor compared to the prevailing tone. And I fear that you appear to be intent on being counted among them.

[Mr Pee]

That's not entirely true, is it, ff? There might be only two people who are openly hostile, to the point of being homophobic, but there are others who express distaste at homosexuality or gay rights being discussed, who don't like it being 'pushed down their throats'. They don't realise, or understand, that the prevalent 'heterosexuality' of the board is oppressive to those who don't share their tastes, & that any discussion of homosexuality is actually fairly minor compared to the prevailing tone. And I fear that you appear to be intent on being counted among them.

How on earth do you cope in day to day life, given that heterosexuality is prevalent everwyhere you go, with the exception of gay bars and clubs?

I fail to see what you mean by "the prevailing tone" of these boards being somehow oppressively heterosexual, although if you really find a fellow boardee mentioning his wife to be such, then I fear the problem is more with you and your own hang-ups than with the boards themselves- how will you cope at a Christmas party, when somebody mentions their wife or girlfriend- or even, heaven forfend, brings them along? Will you feel oppressed?

90% of the time here on the boards, the only mention of sexuality of any kind is on these tiresome threads started by amateur. And I can't help but think that if the thread really was to do with Britten, then he would have been mentioned in the title....

[MrGongGong]

Oh No She Isn't!! :-)
I shall retire from the P&CA thread forthwith ..... exit stage left, persued by a bear.

OOOPS , I tend to stay out of those clubs in Vauxhall myself
but it takes all sorts
but they are (so I have been told) very handy for the folks of the LPO and MI5 ;-)

[teamsaint]

OOOPS , I tend to stay out of those clubs in Vauxhall myself
but it takes all sorts
but they are (so I have been told) very handy for the folks of the LPO and MI5 ;-)

If somebody could find a simple tool for reproducing Venn diagrams on the the forum, I think we would all be much better off, potentially at least.

I for one would love to see a MrGG designed Venn Diagram with sub groups containing the LPO (or did he mean PLO ?!) and MI5.
Please somebody.....

[MrGongGong]

If somebody could find a simple tool for reproducing Venn diagrams on the the forum, I think we would all be much better off, potentially at least.

I for one would love to see a MrGG designed Venn Diagram with sub groups containing the LPO (or did he mean PLO ?!) and MI5.
Please somebody.....

HO HO

You mean along the lines of
How many folks in the LPO are "Bears" ?
How many folks in MI5 are "Bears"?
How many folks are in both MI5 and the LPO ?


(the LPO offices and MI5 building are next door to each other and opposite the arches at Vauxhall for those who don't know ........)

[teamsaint]

HO HO

You mean along the lines of
How many folks in the LPO are "Bears" ?
How many folks in MI5 are "Bears"?
How many folks are in both MI5 and the LPO ?


(the LPO offices and MI5 building are next door to each other and opposite the arches at Vauxhall for those who don't know ........)

exactly.
You are plugged into the techo age Gongers, surely you can sort it .
As a public service.

You know you want to.
I don't have time, what with listening to music and the xmas sales drive and all.....

[amateur51]

We clearly shan't agree. But if it was Britten who was the important link, why did you put it on Platform 3, the board for general discussion, rather than music?

This is not about 'human rights', in general - it is about a right in which you take a special interest and keep raising. The reason that it's the only one that keeps getting moved down here is because, as I said, all the other 'special interest' posters have either given up or left the forum.

What is or is not 'balderdash' in my view and in your view is, again, clearly, a matter of opinion. Some issues have been about gay rights - like the one JLW started about the situation in Russia. But since there are probably only two people on this forum who would dispute the validity of gay rights, with the rest defending them, along with all human rights (and I do recall one or two other who also oppose the concept of human rights altogether) you have, at best a virtually entirely sympathetic audience, at worse people who want to get on with discussing other subjects.

Well I wouldn't describe discussing the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church's response to the abuse of children by its priests as being anti-Catholic. It's certainly anti-Vatican but I have said several times in these discussions that several of the most politically effective community activists that i have known have been inspired by their Catholic faith. These people would utterly condemn the stance of the Vatican on the priest abuse of children, and of its attempts to conflate the emancipation of gay men with paedophilia as part of its smokescreen. To call this anti-Catholic is, to use your word, balderdash.

You don't get the PMs of support that I get from people who do not post on the Board but who are sympathetic to some of the issues raised on some of the thread dealing with lesbian and gay issues.

LGBTI issues are clearly a part of human rights discussions. As we are discussing Nelson Mandela at the moment it's worth noting that the constitution of Mandela's rainbow nation includes the first such mention of protecting the rights of LGBT people in a national constitution.

Whether or not there is a sympathetic audience for these issues here I shall continue to raise them. My choice of where to put Tom Daley thread was because the link between Britten and Daley was their sexuality and contemporary treatment of gay men in their lifetimes. If I had put that thread into Talking About Music, I would not have been able to defend it. If I had put it in Current Affairs, it would get seen by only a small proportion of members. I put it in Platform 3 because I wanted a wide audience for it. It's a bit rich when the moderator acting as censor takes a member to task for avoiding censorship. I guessed from your past record that ultimately you would send the thread to the basement and that I would get ticked off but I felt that it was worthwhile taking that risk in order to raise the issue.

[amateur51]

How on earth do you cope in day to day life, given that heterosexuality is prevalent everwyhere you go, with the exception of gay bars and clubs?

I fail to see what you mean by "the prevailing tone" of these boards being somehow oppressively heterosexual, although if you really find a fellow boardee mentioning his wife to be such, then I fear the problem is more with you and your own hang-ups than with the boards themselves- how will you cope at a Christmas party, when somebody mentions their wife or girlfriend- or even, heaven forfend, brings them along? Will you feel oppressed?

90% of the time here on the boards, the only mention of sexuality of any kind is on these tiresome threads started by amateur. And I can't help but think that if the thread really was to do with Britten, then he would have been mentioned in the title....

Case demonstrated, Flossie!

Next!

[amateur51]

OOOPS , I tend to stay out of those clubs in Vauxhall myself
but it takes all sorts
but they are (so I have been told) very handy for the folks of the LPO and MI5 ;-)

:smirk:

[MrGongGong]

Come to mention it
we do have somewhere a recording of
"Night on a Bear Mountain"
So I wonder if that's the LPO ?

:laugh:

(or should it be "Knight" ? )

[amateur51]

Come to mention it
we do have somewhere a recording of
"Night on a Bear Mountain"
So I wonder if that's the LPO ?

:laugh:

(or should it be "Knight" ? )

:cheeky::laugh:

[Mr Pee]

You don't get the PMs of support that I get from people who do not post on the Board but who are sympathetic to some of the issues raised on some of the thread dealing with lesbian and gay issues.

Funny how none of these people who-according to you- have PMd you with support have come publicly to your defence. These then, are people who read the boards but don't post, but who, rather than doing so, send you PMs instead. How convenient.

Pull the other one.

[MrGongGong]

Funny how none of these people who-according to you- have PMd you with support have come publicly to your defence. These then, are people who read the boards but don't post, but who, rather than doing so, send you PMs instead. How convenient.

Pull the other one.

Lying about stuff is a favourite tactic of yours matey
I guess thats what they taught you in the forces
"the best in the world" indeed