Tom Daley's In Love ...

[Beef Oven!]

Those who complain that gays on these boards are rattling on and on unnecessarily are quite unaware of the sense of liberation we feel after such a long time, even if there is more to be achieved.

Not at all. We're very aware. And you're preaching to the converted anyway, although I don't believe in same sex marriage (my holding of that view you will naturally respect).

But it is very tedious to have to listen to it all the time in here. We're all modern thinking people and we're all pleased that homosexuals don't have to hide and put up with what had to be accepted previously.

Sexuality is not the be all and end all.

[teamsaint]

Well what is "News " is just somebody's opinion, Murdoch, somebody at the BBC, whoever.

This didn't strike me as news, just as celebrity chat. There is too much important stuff going on that this may have driven from the news agendas.
A current league footballer coming out would be news. In fact it would be a good news story.
I hope that happens soon, and then when the second one comes out, it won't be news.

[amateur51]

I'm not squeamish or censorius, I'm just bored to death by the endless trumpeting of homosexualism on these boards by you. Any possible excuse to drag in your sexual preference, and you're all over it like a rash.

As I said:- Give it a rest.

This has very little to with my sexual preference about which you know very little.

This thread was started because a leading British Olympic sportsman, who will be competing in Rio in 2015, had chosen to announced publicly that he was in a relationship with another man. This is news. whether you like it or not.

I then quite clearly compared it to the situation facing Britten & Pears, whose life, work and relationship has been in and out of the news all year. Every documentary about them has mentioned their relationship and how important it was to Britten's work, and many of those who knew and worked with Britten, such as Dame Janet Baker, have speculated on how tough it must have been for Britten knowing that people knew about him & Pears at a time when to be in a male homosexual relationship was illegal, which must have been 'tough for him' I think was the phrase that Dame Janet used.

Mr Pee, you have chosen to bring my sexuality, about which I repeat you know almost next to nothing, imto it. I've said that I'm very pleased for Tom Daley but really that's about it.

Mr Pee and sundry others however feel quite at liberty to express their male heterosexuality quite gratuitously by posting photographs of scantily clad women on this Board. It hasn't happened recently and I've always assumed that a host or the moderator has 'had a word'.

Matthew Parris has written a fine piece in The Times today, which I can't link you to because it is behind Murdoch's paywall but in it he identifies the importance of what Tom Daley has done, mentions how courageous it is to do so even in this more liberalised climate and says that he (Parris) wishes that he had had the courage to behave similarly over twenty-five years ago. Instead, he writes that he was a coward and kept quiet about being gay.

I couldn't give a flying fartoon in a hurricane whether or not the likes of Mr Pee are getting 'bored' with issues such as this. i do not intend to pander to the lazy right-wing bully-boy tendency occasionally to be found on this Board.

I thank you.

[amateur51]

Not at all. We're very aware. And you're preaching to the converted anyway, although I don't believe in same sex marriage (my holding of that view you will naturally respect).

But it is very tedious to have to listen to it all the time in here. We're all modern thinking people and we're all pleased that homosexuals don't have to hide and put up with what had to be accepted previously.

Sexuality is not the be all and end all.

Point taken Oxo but then your tendency to show off the artwork on all the CDs you own is pretty tedious too.

[amateur51]

Well what is "News " is just somebody's opinion, Murdoch, somebody at the BBC, whoever.

This didn't strike me as news, just as celebrity chat. There is too much important stuff going on that this may have driven from the news agendas.
A current league footballer coming out would be news. In fact it would be a good news story.
I hope that happens soon, and then when the second one comes out, it won't be news.

Well of course Justin Fashanu did come out when he was playing and sadly fell foul of the allegedly much-loved Brian Clough.

And we all know what happened to poor Justin Fashanu, don't we.

Don't we?

[Flosshilde]

But it is very tedious to have to listen to it all the time in here.

Any more tedious than having to listen to all the heterosexuality all the time? BBM's (& others) frequent mentions of his wife, the comments about the attractiveness (or otherwise) of female presenters & performers? Like so many heterosexuals you don't see the all-pervading heterosexual norm - it's like the air you breath; unnoticed until it's not there.

[teamsaint]

Well of course Justin Fashanu did come out when he was playing and sadly fell foul of the allegedly much-loved Brian Clough.

And we all know what happened to poor Justin Fashanu, don't we.

Don't we?

I honestly can't remember when it became well known about his sexuality.

The Fashanu story is VERY important though, since he was connected to Stephen Milligan, and we all know what happened to him, or was done to him. As for what happened to Fashanu. i'm afraid he flew to close to the sun.

[amateur51]

Any more tedious than having to listen to all the heterosexuality all the time? BBM's (& others) frequent mentions of his wife, the comments about the attractiveness (or otherwise) of female presenters & performers? Like so many heterosexuals you don't see the all-pervading heterosexual norm - it's like the air you breath; unnoticed until it's not there.

Hear hear!

[Beef Oven!]

it's like the air you breath; unnoticed until it's not there.

Pure Chris Eubank!

[Flosshilde]

I don't think I know who he is. If I did I'd know what relevance he has to my post - very little, probably. But then you wouldn't really be interested in engaging with the point I made.

[Beef Oven!]

I don't think I know who he is.

If you don't know the person, why have you decided he is a man? A bit prejudiced, I'd say. Tut, tut.

[amateur51]

If you don't know the person, why have you decided he is a man? A bit prejudiced, I'd say. Tut, tut.

'He' is usually a man - or are they teaching you different now in Gender-Sexuality 101?

[Mr Pee]

This has very little to with my sexual preference about which you know very little.

Wel, I know more than a little because you never stop banging on about it.

This thread was started because a leading British Olympic sportsman, who will be competing in Rio in 2015, had chosen to announced publicly that he was in a relationship with another man. This is news. whether you like it or not.

I suppose it is news, although if it is, it is of the "and finally" category that used to round off News At Ten. 9/11 it ain't.

I then quite clearly compared it to the situation facing Britten & Pears, whose life, work and relationship has been in and out of the news all year. Every documentary about them has mentioned their relationship and how important it was to Britten's work, and many of those who knew and worked with Britten, such as Dame Janet Baker, have speculated on how tough it must have been for Britten knowing that people knew about him & Pears at a time when to be in a male homosexual relationship was illegal, which must have been 'tough for him' I think was the phrase that Dame Janet used.

Like I said- tenuous in the extreme. A British Olympic Diver in the 21st Century, and a British musician in the 20th, when attitudes toward homosexualism were totally different. You crowbarred Britten into the Tom Daley thread in an attempt to give the subject some valid reason for being posted on Platform 3. It clearly had no such reason, which is why FF rightly moved it here to P&CA.

Mr Pee and sundry others however feel quite at liberty to express their male heterosexuality quite gratuitously by posting photographs of scantily clad women on this Board. It hasn't happened recently and I've always assumed that a host or the moderator has 'had a word'.

Please do me the favour of reminding me of the last time I posted a picture of a scantily-clad young lady here, and perhaps also mention the sundry others who have done the same. And I can assure you that no moderator or host has "had a word" on such a subject.

Matthew Parris has written a fine piece in The Times today, which I can't link you to because it is behind Murdoch's paywall but in it he identifies the importance of what Tom Daley has done, mentions how courageous it is to do so even in this more liberalised climate and says that he (Parris) wishes that he had had the courage to behave similarly over twenty-five years ago. Instead, he writes that he was a coward and kept quiet about being gay.

Well, that's all very interesting, although once again hardly relevant to these boards, but perhaps the most interesting part is that you seem to read The Times, despite your endless anti-Murdoch tirades, a subject on which you are almost as tiresome as you are about your sexual preference.

I couldn't give a flying fartoon in a hurricane whether or not the likes of Mr Pee are getting 'bored' with issues such as this. i do not intend to pander to the lazy right-wing bully-boy tendency occasionally to be found on this Board.

As opposed to the lazy Left-wing bully boys who have succesfully driven away Scottycelt, and Simon, and I am sure others who dared to challenge their pinko world-view.

I thank you.

No need to thank me, but ta all the same.

[Mr Pee]

Any more tedious than having to listen to all the heterosexuality all the time? BBM's (& others) frequent mentions of his wife, the comments about the attractiveness (or otherwise) of female presenters & performers? Like so many heterosexuals you don't see the all-pervading heterosexual norm - it's like the air you breath; unnoticed until it's not there.

BBM mentions his wife?? How DARE he!! The sheer effrontery of the man. He should be publicly flogged.

And I DO see the "all pervading heterosexual norm." In case you hadn't noticed, it's the reason the human race has managed to survive for as long as it has, because with a few exceptions, men fancy women and vice-versa. Why can't you accept that? You seem to want to brush normal human sexuality under the carpet just so that you can feel better about your own preference.

Well, wake up and smell the coffee. The world is predominantly made up of heterosexuals. Get used to it.

[amateur51]

Wel, I know more than a little because you never stop banging on about it.

Untrue.

I suppose it is news, although if it is, it is of the "and finally" category that used to round off News At Ten. 9/11 it ain't.

Untrue. It was all over the front pages of most of the national newspapers yesterday and London Evening Standard, and Radio 4 news. The comparison with 9/11 is fatuous but not unexpected.

Like I said- tenuous in the extreme. A British Olympic Diver in the 21st Century, and a British musician in the 20th, when attitudes toward homosexualism were totally different. You crowbarred Britten into the Tom Daley thread in an attempt to give the subject some valid reason for being posted on Platform 3. It clearly had no such reason, which is why FF rightly moved it here to P&CA.

No sweetheart, the reason it's in the dungeon is that you've thrown your toys out of the pram and started getting antsy, as I predicted in the OP.

The fact that you don't understand the comparison is neither here nor there - it doesn't make it untrue; it just makes you a bit thick.

Please do me the favour of reminding me of the last time I posted a picture of a scantily-clad young lady here, and perhaps also mention the sundry others who have done the same. And I can assure you that no moderator or host has "had a word" on such a subject.

Not denying it then, very sensible of you.

Well, that's all very interesting, although once again hardly relevant to these boards, but perhaps the most interesting part is that you seem to read The Times, despite your endless anti-Murdoch tirades, a subject on which you are almost as tiresome as you are about your sexual preference.

Irrelevant and off-topic