Poppies and the "Heroes Industry" ?

[MrGongGong]

Thank you for your concern, but it wasn't bad for my health. It was just the usual leftie Guardian twaddle and, as such, really not worth the paper it's written on.

I'm curious how you come to that conclusion ?
What exactly is "leftie" in the linked article ?

[Flosshilde]

I am genuinely concerned for Mr Pee's health - his knees jerk so often they must be worn out by now.

[Beef Oven!]

Thank you for your concern, but it wasn't bad for my health. It was just the usual leftie Guardian twaddle and, as such, really not worth the paper it's written on.

More than twaddle MrPee, check this bit out!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Why is public support of an Aids charity bad and yet presenters can be disciplined for refusing to wear a Remembrance Day poppy?"

Do we really have to tell them!!!!!???

(about straw man arguments, I mean)

[MrGongGong]

"Why is public support of an Aids charity bad and yet presenters can be disciplined for refusing to wear a Remembrance Day poppy?"

Do we really have to tell them!!!!!???

GO on tell me why , i'm dying to know ?
I thought you kippers were supposed to be in favour of the individual ?

Or off you go , hand in hand into the brave new dawn with Peester by your side (or is he carrying your Merzbow CD collection ? )

[amateur51]

Thank you for your concern, but it wasn't bad for my health. It was just the usual leftie Guardian twaddle and, as such, really not worth the paper it's written on.

Plus ça change ...

[MrGongGong]

Let me save pee the bother

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10517273/Marine-A-wife-Al-is-ashamed-of-what-he-did-but-I-dont-think-we-should-be-where-we-are-now.html

I see that Ian Huntley's mum is also feeling rather cross that he is also being 'misunderstood'.
WHY are the relatives of convicted criminals given access to the media in this way ?

Oh look she is white and pretty so he must be innocent then :yikes:
This is a sad and avoidable tale that is being cynically manipulated and a rewriting of events worthy of the Stalinist USSR

[amateur51]

Let me save pee the bother

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-are-now.html

This piece was written by Chris Terrill the Telegraph journalist embedded with the Marines who wrote the special pleading article that was posted earlier ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10487226/Marine-A-criminal-or-casualty.html

... so the line taken is no surprise.

Do we know if an appeal by Sgt. Blackman is possible or planned?

[Flosshilde]

The problem of 'embedding' journalists in the military has been highlighted in the past - they tend to become so integrated that they 'turn native' and identify strongly with the group, making objective reporting impossible.

[eighthobstruction]

Can anybody fill me in as to how the prosecution was started....was it via routine review of helmet camera footage by the MOD/Army....or was there was someone who informed on Blackmans actions....??

[amateur51]

The problem of 'embedding' journalists in the military has been highlighted in the past - they tend to become so integrated that they 'turn native' and identify strongly with the group, making objective reporting impossible.

Good point, Flossie. I guess it's entirely understandable BUT the Editor should ensure that his copy is clearly identified as such, as should the copy of a journalist living with civilians under attack. Context is all.

[ahinton]

Can anybody fill me in as to how the prosecution was started....was it via routine review of helmet camera footage by the MOD/Army....or was there was someone who informed on Blackmans actions....??

That, too, is a good question, to which sadly I do not have the answer, but it needs to be asked of those who do have it. OK, either way, the identity of the photographer and the way in which the footage was created ultimately makes little if any difference to the nature of the crime or the circumstances that may have led to it, but it's an important consideration nevertheless and, being so, I'd have thought that some reference to it might have been made at Blackman's trial.

[french frank]

Do we know if an appeal by Sgt. Blackman is possible or planned?

I think I read that there was likely to be an appeal.

[eighthobstruction]

That, too, is a good question, to which sadly I do not have the answer, but it needs to be asked of those who do have it. OK, either way, the identity of the photographer and the way in which the footage was created ultimately makes little if any difference to the nature of the crime or the circumstances that may have led to it, but it's an important consideration nevertheless and, being so, I'd have thought that some reference to it might have been made at Blackman's trial.

I am glad someone else thinks it important/interesting....at the start of the case it was the first thing that occurred to me, and I have awaited for the info to come out but it has not....as you say >> ultimately makes little if any difference to the nature of the crime or the circumstances that may have led to it<<....

[MrGongGong]

Can anybody fill me in as to how the prosecution was started....was it via routine review of helmet camera footage by the MOD/Army....or was there was someone who informed on Blackmans actions....??

How many other cases do we not know about ?
I read that some marines also said that this happened in the Falklands and elsewhere etc
so it would seem that the integrity of the self styled "best in the world" is somewhat deficient, which is dangerous for us all.
A culture of 'closing ranks' when these things happen doesn't inspire confidence or the respect of the rest of the world (which is maybe rather more important !).

[french frank]

Can anybody fill me in as to how the prosecution was started....was it via routine review of helmet camera footage by the MOD/Army....or was there was someone who informed on Blackmans actions....??

According to a story in the Daily Mail, essentially a defence of Marine A, with all the 'mitigating circumstances', civilian police arrested a commando, more than a year later. One would assume that this was for something not remotely connected. But it did involve the inspection of his laptop where the footage was discovered. So its existence was known to the Marines involved, and the film was shared with other military personnel.