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I'm pretty sure it's just you.Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostPatriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain.Comment
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A certainty that's clearly as unfounded as it is untenable given the necessary reference elsewhere on this part of the forum to the evident need at times to explain the simplest things to you...Originally posted by Mr Pee View PostComment
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I think you've grasped the point about 'equality' - it isn't just 'gender equality'. It's 'equality'.Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
Do you really mean what you seem to be saying? That a young woman should be offered a lower salary on the grounds that she MIGHT get pregnant? And IF that happens she'll get longer parental leave as a quid pro quo? Or just that she gets a lower salary when she isn't actually working?A young woman can get pregnant and leave for a few months so she might be offered a lower salary to compensate the company in that not uncommon eventuality. If she does get pregnant she will be entitled to parental leave which is a superior offer to that of the father if he works in the same establishment.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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Ah, I seeeeeeeee ... :smile:Originally posted by french frank View Post
I'm not 'seeming' to say anything! I'm actually saying (and meaning) that if you are that keen on equal pay for women compared to men why are you so apparently apathetic in other areas? And that 'gender discrimination' works both ways!Originally posted by french frank View PostComment
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No, you're never alone when ahinton's around ...Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostComment
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I think that you'll find that Richard Barrett was referring to FF, not me.Originally posted by scottycelt View PostComment
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No answer, then as to whether you really meant all young women should be offered lower pay on the grounds that they may get pregnant ...Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
I rather adhere to the good old socialist adage: 'to each according to his (her) need'. If men are so outraged at having shorter paternity leave than women have maternity leave, why aren't they constantly protesting about it? I take the answer to be that they're not that concerned. That it's just an example you've thought up to make a point about people who want equality because they feel harmed by the existing inequalities: be they women, gays, ethnic minorities. But especially women.
Meanwhile, you might be interested in this, especially 'What will happen in 2015?'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.Comment
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All I'm saying ... which you, in turn, continue to ignore ... is that there is a clear economic case for a company offering a young woman slightly less than a young male because of the pregnancy possibility/probability. It doesn't matter what I think about employers calculating that risk and paying accordingly. As you are rather keen on overall statistics I wonder what might be the relative employment attendance records between males and females? I don't have the answer to that but it might be interesting to know.Originally posted by french frank View Post
As for your own link that surely proves my point, as I'm the one who is far from convinced by the 'gender equality' argument regarding pay. Men and women are different and perform different roles quite naturally and being 'fair' to both should surely be the goal and not a push for some unrealistic and unattainable 'equality'. Alternatively if a woman has a better attendance record and does the job better than her male colleagues she should be paid more then the latter. This is about fairness and economic reality, nothing else. On hiring employers do have to weigh up the likely risks to cost and the simple fact is that some women get pregnant and men generally do not!
Again, if we cannot even agree on a common definition of words like 'equality' (which I rather naively considered would not be under any great dispute here) we are most unlikely to end up ever agreeing on the subject?Comment
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Oh I see where you're coming from now, scortty.Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
So the answer is to make paternity leave equal to maternity leave AND to make it compulsory.
Thus equality will be achieved? I knew it had to be easy.
The net effect then will be a net drop in the reproduction rate, because we know that chaps hate hanging around with babies, which is good for the planet, and we can let more people in from the EU with a clear conscience to replace the UK babies who won't be born because of this new-found equality.
You are, Sir, a genius!Comment
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Brilliant. Maybe if she can get a doctor's note confirming that she's medically unable to bear children, or even an affidavit swearing that she has no interest in doing so and will pay back the difference if by some chance she becomes pregnant, or one sworn by her partner(s) to confirm that she takes her contraceptive pill every day, her salary could be bumped up to parity with the "young males"?Originally posted by scottycelt View PostComment
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Or a note from her lesbian partner to say that they've got two Siamese cats and a bichon friseOriginally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
which is quite enough for them to project any maternal yearnings on to?Comment
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