Nairobi terrorist attack

[Beef Oven!]

I had been waiting for Dresden to be mentioned but maybe that's just my age.

I'm waiting for God(win)!

[teamsaint]

Beefy , Its not irrelevant .
Western governments frequently put the baddies into power, then turn their guns on them.

If you wanted to create a generation of Islamic terrorists, then invading Iraq was a pretty effective way to do it.

BTW, inappropriately funny post !

[MrGongGong]

This seems to be quite irrelevant, at least from a logical point of view - I'm getting a whiff of 'two wrongs make a right' and a hint of 'socialismo obsoleto' (vintage 1980).

It's not "two wrongs make a right" more a concern that the word "coward" is used incorrectly
like the way in which everyone in the military is now a "hero"

according to the OED

it means

"a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things:"

Which , no matter how terrible and outrageous what happened in Kenya was isn't really the right word IMV

[Resurrection Man]

GongGong and amateur51 are dickheads

[Resurrection Man]

Beefy , Its not irrelevant .
Western governments frequently put the baddies into power, then turn their guns on them.

If you wanted to create a generation of Islamic terrorists, then invading Iraq was a pretty effective way to do it.

BTW, inappropriately funny post !

If you want to bang on (again and ad nauseam) about invading Iraq/governments to blame/blah blah then please start your own thread. Don't keep on derailing other threads.

[amateur51]

If you want to bang on (again and ad nauseam) about invading Iraq/governments to blame/blah blah then please start your own thread. Don't keep on derailing other threads.

Do you have anything to contribute to this thread apart from scoffs and sneers? Otherwise you're doing a fine job of derailing the thread yourself.

I'm with teams on this one, it's a case of the biter bit.

I saw this in a bookshop this afternoon and had a good flick though - looks interesting.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/On-Western-Terrorism-Hiroshima-Warfare/dp/0745333877/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp

[Mr Pee]

I'm with teams on this one, it's a case of the biter bit.

Please tell me I have misunderstood that. Are you suggesting that the massacre of men, women and children going about their daily business in a shopping mall is somehow a deserved retribution for the perceived- (by some)- wrongs of the "West"?

Because if you are, you have become an apologist for such butchery.

[MrGongGong]

Please tell me I have misunderstood that. Are you suggesting that the massacre of men, women and children going about their daily business in a shopping mall is somehow a deserved retribution for the perceived- (by some)- wrongs of the "West"?

Because if you are, you have become an apologist for such butchery.

Even with you doing the "ignore" (which you certainly aren't as you seem to keep on going) you seem unable to understand that no-one has even slightly suggested that somehow this was a "deserved retribution" ...... BUT actions DO have consequences

There are others who have been killed while "going about their daily business" by air strikes etc

Mr RM always insists that anything he disagrees with is a "derailing" or "irrelevant" ........ and also plays the stupid "i'm ignoring people I don't like" game........ so no change there then

There are things that radicalise people , the West support for Israeli actions against the Palestinians as well as their being "allowed" to have illegal nuclear weapons for example ........ its not hard to see the connections if you bother to look

[amateur51]

Please tell me I have misunderstood that. Are you suggesting that the massacre of men, women and children going about their daily business in a shopping mall is somehow a deserved retribution for the perceived- (by some)- wrongs of the "West"?

Because if you are, you have become an apologist for such butchery.

While you are an apologist for the scores of innocent men, women and children murdered by 'cowardly' drone attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan (which are meant to be America's allies)

Stop shaving and engage your brain.

[Beef Oven!]

It's not "two wrongs make a right" more a concern that the word "coward" is used incorrectly
like the way in which everyone in the military is now a "hero"

according to the OED

it means

"a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things:"

Which , no matter how terrible and outrageous what happened in Kenya was isn't really the right word IMV

Well, I agree that there is much 'slinging around' of words, and it does get a tad meaningless once it goes beyond a certain point. And you're right to pick-up on that, but can't you can see that killing totally innocent people who have no warning of their imminent death, and so can't defend themselves is cowardly?

[Anna]

I may have got this wrong - but it seems the gunmen executed those who could not recite the Koran?
In which case, Thank the Lord, if Christian Fundamentalists burst in here, I know I can recite Proverbs and Corinthians ad infinitum and not be shot.

What everyone is tippy-toeing around is Islam, isn't it? For wish of not being seen as a Bigot (as to the Nairobi attack - which is the subject under discussion)

Basically Fundamentalist Islam is bonkers (witness the latest from the Cleric from Saudi who says women drivers damage their ovaries and produce defective children)

[amateur51]

Well, I agree that there is much 'slinging around' of words, and it does get a tad meaningless once it goes beyond a certain point. And you're right to pick-up on that, but can't you can see that killing totally innocent people who have no warning of their imminent death, and so can't defend themselves is cowardly?

And can you see that the events so described in Kenya might be equivalent to the deaths of innocent people in drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan?

Does the expression 'cause and effect' mean anything to you?

There's more to this shaving fetish than meets the eye, y'know.

[MrGongGong]

(witness the latest from the Cleric from Saudi who says women drivers damage their ovaries and produce defective children)

I think that was Godfrey Bloom ?

[Beef Oven!]

I think that was Godfrey Bloom ?

What time's break? Fancy joining in a game of 'off-ground touch'? ;-)

[amateur51]

I may have got this wrong - but it seems the gunmen executed those who could not recite the Koran?
In which case, Thank the Lord, if Christian Fundamentalists burst in here, I know I can recite Proverbs and Corinthians ad infinitum and not be shot.

What everyone is tippy-toeing around is Islam, isn't it? For wish of not being seen as a Bigot (as to the Nairobi attack - which is the subject under discussion)

Basically Fundamentalist Islam is bonkers (witness the latest from the Cleric from Saudi who says women drivers damage their ovaries and produce defective children)

Christian Fundamentalists in the US of A believe that the planet is no more that 5,000 years old and that Intelligent Design is a proven evolutionary mechanism.

Islam do not have a monopoly on religious bampots, Anna.