Unreasonable attacks

[Beef Oven!]

Or tell the difference between his arse and his elbow ?
What is extraordinary about Gove is that he has managed to alienate more or less everyone involved in education regardless of their politics

He was pretty impressive on R4 yesterday afternoon. Made an excellent case for an element of performance related pay within the nil-sum-game of the teacher's pay bill.

It seems that a lot of people are against him, I feel sorry for him - it must be quite lonely doing his job. Still, someone's got to do it or education would be chaotic in this country.

[MrGongGong]

Still, someone's got to do it or education would be chaotic in this country.

:ha ha ha:
and so on
really ?

[Beef Oven!]

:ha ha ha:
and so on
really ?

Are you an anarchist?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Are you an anarchist?

No he isn't, and standing up to a pathetic, inept tinpot dictator does not make you an anarchist.

[MrGongGong]

Are you an anarchist?

Its the "would be" that is so funny
this idiot has created chaos

Some things work better with less organisation
and some need more
often the desire for more is simply insecurity
working out which is the trick ...............

[An_Inspector_Calls]

What is extraordinary about Gove is that he has managed to alienate more or less everyone involved in education regardless of their politics

Well that's no surprise since they're a major reason for the present poor state of education in this country. Now they're objecting to performance assessment; that's extraordinary! And isn't it pathetic that mandating mathematics ability to a higher standard means that the teaching profession will struggle to source competent mathematics teachers? A circular demonstration of their incompetence in the first place.

[ahinton]

Well that's no surprise since they're a major reason for the present poor state of education in this country. Now they're objecting to performance assessment; that's extraordinary! And isn't it pathetic that mandating mathematics ability to a higher standard means that the teaching profession will struggle to source competent mathematics teachers? A circular demonstration of their incompetence in the first place.

But whose incompetence? Some of the politicians, some of the teachers, or both?

[Beef Oven!]

Well that's no surprise since they're a major reason for the present poor state of education in this country. Now they're objecting to performance assessment; that's extraordinary! And isn't it pathetic that mandating mathematics ability to a higher standard means that the teaching profession will struggle to source competent mathematics teachers? A circular demonstration of their incompetence in the first place.

Totally agree.

I'm with Groves on this one.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

...the present poor state of education in this country.

Simply repeating this phrase may make good propaganda, but it has no basis in truth.

[gurnemanz]

Well that's no surprise since they're a major reason for the present poor state of education in this country. Now they're objecting to performance assessment; that's extraordinary! And isn't it pathetic that mandating mathematics ability to a higher standard means that the teaching profession will struggle to source competent mathematics teachers? A circular demonstration of their incompetence in the first place.

"present poor state of education" - a statement so generalised and unsubstantiated as to be meaningless.

"performance assessment" has always gone on and no teacher would seriously object to it. It is depressing when it is believed that only that which can be measured is of any value. Measurement of a teacher's performance by students' exam results is a flawed criterion. The individual input of one single teacher over one year is obviously important but far from the only factor which determines results. In a well-run department staff work together to share resources and create a positive and co-operative environment for learning.

[carol_fodor]

I'm with Groves on this one.

The late Sir Charles maybe, or the compiler of the estimable 'Dictionary of Music & Musicians'?

[french frank]

And isn't it pathetic that mandating mathematics ability to a higher standard means that the teaching profession will struggle to source competent mathematics teachers? A circular demonstration of their incompetence in the first place.

The most recent story is that they're 'struggling' in the first place to get school students to choose maths and physics at 6th form level and university ; and are considering in the second place offering inducements to persuade the maths graduates to go in for teaching 'despite high numbers of applications to teach other subjects'. So if it's the maths teachers doing something wrong, other teachers must be doing something right. Or just, perhaps, fashions and aspirations changing among the school pupils.

[Flosshilde]

Originally Posted by An_Inspector_Calls View Post
Well that's no surprise since they're a major reason for the present poor state of education in this country. Now they're objecting to performance assessment; that's extraordinary! And isn't it pathetic that mandating mathematics ability to a higher standard means that the teaching profession will struggle to source competent mathematics teachers? A circular demonstration of their incompetence in the first place.

Totally agree.

Well that's no surprise.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

The most recent story is that they're 'struggling' in the first place to get school students to choose maths and physics at 6th form level and university ; and are considering in the second place offering inducements to persuade the maths graduates to go in for teaching 'despite high numbers of applications to teach other subjects'. So if it's the maths teachers doing something wrong, other teachers must be doing something right. Or just, perhaps, fashions and aspirations changing among the school pupils.

That's not the gist of the Independent story you quote which indicates that the teaching profession is not attracting physics or maths graduates into the profession.

A more relevant Independent article might be this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/make-maths-compulsory-for-all-students-until-the-age-of-18-leading-scientists-urge-7966272.html]

About 85 per cent of students in England give up maths at 16. Many A-level science students are dropping maths as early as they can, the Lords found. Leading scientists agree that making maths compulsory between 16 and 18 would help to compensate for the poor maths teaching in primary and secondary state schools. "We were absolutely gobsmacked to find that 20 per cent of engineering undergraduates, 38 per cent of chemistry and economics undergraduates and 70 per cent of biology undergraduates do not have A-level mathematics," Lord Willis said.

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Simply repeating this phrase may make good propaganda, but it has no basis in truth.

And simply repeating the description of Gove as a nutter or the like does not convince anyone of your judgement in the matter.