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Originally posted by ahinton View PostYou also allege that "children have (had to) to suffer" on account of the closure of those agencies
Happily, it seems that few will suffer as the threatened agencies have been quietly buckling to and accepting that the law is the law.
"It's not that Catholics aren't interested in this any more," said Bishop Conry. "But we're not going to have a public fight that we're possibly going to lose and come out of it with everyone suffering."
This seems to have been more generally accepted - that the future well-being of the children is really what matters. Very Christian.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostBut they have had to suffer in that they would have to be placed with adoption agencies, rather than Catholic adoption agencies. I imagine the majority of children for adoption have to suffer in this way too..
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostUnles this is a little more of that irony being mentioned earlier, I don't quite understand this...It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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scottycelt
Originally posted by french frank View PostBut they have had to suffer in that they would have to be placed with adoption agencies, rather than Catholic adoption agencies. I imagine the majority of children for adoption have to suffer in this way too.
Happily, it seems that few will suffer as the threatened agencies have been quietly buckling to and accepting that the law is the law.
"It's not that Catholics aren't interested in this any more," said Bishop Conry. "But we're not going to have a public fight that we're possibly going to lose and come out of it with everyone suffering."
This seems to have been more generally accepted - that the future well-being of the children is really what matters. Very Christian.
So maybe gays and others in this country might consider accepting simple reality and quietly 'buckle to' as to what is happening with the change of law in Russia, never mind the directly-affected Russian gays themselves? After all they are only a small minority like Catholics in the UK. They must accept the will of majority opinion and simply lump it, eh?
What is sauce for the g....
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Originally posted by scottycelt View PostAnd of course the law was changed from what it had been previously. Exactly the same is happening in the other direction in Russia.
So maybe gays and others in this country might consider accepting simple reality and quietly 'buckle to' as to what is happening with the change of law in Russia, never mind the directly-affected Russian gays themselves? After all they are only a small minority like Catholics in the UK. They must accept the will of majority opinion and simply lump it, eh?
What is sauce for the g....
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."
That seems exacly what the the Catholics in the link I gave you are doing. Religion's supreme purpose, it seems to me, is to increase the good in the world, and not to increase the misery.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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scottycelt
Originally posted by french frank View Post"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."
That seems exacly what the the Catholics in the link I gave you are doing. Religion's supreme purpose, it seems to me, is to increase the good in the world, and not to increase the misery.
However, I'm sure you'll at least accept that the wise words that you quote are pretty sound advice for everyone whether 'secular gay' in Russia or 'straight Catholic' in the UK?
Indeed, if you read it again, you will see it is specifically and entirely aimed at the "self" and nobody or nothing else!
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As you said in your previous post:
And of course the law was changed from what it had been previously.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by scottycelt View PostAnd of course the law was changed from what it had been previously. Exactly the same is happening in the other direction in Russia.
So maybe gays and others in this country might consider accepting simple reality and quietly 'buckle to' as to what is happening with the change of law in Russia, never mind the directly-affected Russian gays themselves? After all they are only a small minority like Catholics in the UK. They must accept the will of majority opinion and simply lump it, eh?
What is sauce for the g....
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scottycelt
Originally posted by Barbirollians View PostSo if the law on the emancipation of Catholics was reversed you would accept that quietly ?
Finally, Catholics have nothing to be so 'proud' about that they take to the streets to express that pride. On the contrary, they are much more likely to shake their heads in despair and feel a deep sense of shame, and as french frank so memorably put it 'hide for cover' (or words to that effect!) :smile:
Oh and I do miss the 'smileys' here as well ... in fact I feel sure I even came across french frank descending to the use of a smiley 'code' (with, unlike Mr Blair, notable conversion failure) but my eyes may well have been mistaken as ahinton will almost certainly now authoritatively confirm!
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That seems to be as glaring example as I've ever seen of totally sidestepping the question
You're right though: I'm missing the :laugh: smiley now!"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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The Jesuits did their work well!
But I don't think it's quite correct to say
Originally posted by scottycelt View Post...Catholics have nothing to be so 'proud' about that they take to the streets to express that pride...
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Originally posted by french frank View Post"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference."
That seems exacly what the the Catholics in the link I gave you are doing. Religion's supreme purpose, it seems to me, is to increase the good in the world, and not to increase the misery.
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