Musical Homophobia - or The Homophobia Histories

[Demetrius]

I tend to concur with RM. If we believe in different moralities we are never going to agree with each other. The above is simply a heavily subjective opinion governed by mere speculation.

However, whatever our strong views on the matter, I fail to see the logic of the following:

a) 'Gay Marriage' should not be prevented from becoming law in the UK because it is only opposed by a minority. (according to polls)
b) The measure against 'Gay Promotion' should have been prevented from becoming law in Russia (and should now be repealed) even though it is only opposed by a minority.(according to polls)

I really do struggle with the apparent compatibility of both contentions!

While majorities may pave the road to laws, something being or becoming a law does not mean that you ought not be able to use legal ways showing discontent. Any person can disapprove of any law, depending on his/her own morality.

So anyone may support a) and b) because out of his/her morality Gay marriage ought to be allowed.

Also, Democracy in our modern version provides protection for minorities, in the case that they might run afoul of the majority. Human rights, for example. If you deem laws against gay marriage an oppression of human rights, then majority opinion simply doesn't come into play.

[Ferretfancy]

No, that's not at all what I said. For starters I am not religious but I like to think that I can appreciate and understand where those with a strong religious belief are coming from.

If you are not religious, but can really appreciate where those with a strong religious belief are coming from, you must have a very powerful intellect. They certainly baffle poor little me!

[Flosshilde]

a heavily subjective opinion governed by mere speculation.

Describes any religion to a T.

[Flosshilde]

I wonder how Scotty is coping with the Russian proposal that the children of homosexuals should be removed for their own protection? I assume that he approves, since he approves of RC adoption agencies not placing children with gay or lesbian couples. On the other hand, he disaproves of outsiders interfering in the right of other countries to make their own laws. SO he can't express his approval because that would be an interference. Such a conundrum for the poor thing! (although I've no doubt that he will attempt to wriggle out of it)

[Resurrection Man]

Any chance of appreciation and understanding for the other side of the argument?

And perhaps one could ask exactly the same of you...two sides to every coin, surely.

[Resurrection Man]

..... However it all boils down to where one draws the line at society trying to protect innocent life (eg shooting dead a gunman holding hostages?).

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Police brutality, Scotty :winkeye:

[Resurrection Man]

If you are not religious, but can really appreciate where those with a strong religious belief are coming from, you must have a very powerful intellect. They certainly baffle poor little me!

Marvyn is my middle name, brain the size of a planet.

[amateur51]

And perhaps one could ask exactly the same of you...two sides to every coin, surely.

I've already explained my position.

Why are you suddenly so reluctant to put yourself into the minds of people oppressed by other people because of how they were born?

[amateur51]

Police brutality, Scotty :winkeye:

I'm sure that this witticism is lost on the family of Jean Charles de Menezes

[Mr Pee]

I've already explained my position.

So has Scotty. But you steadfastly refuse to accept his point of view as valid, or indeed the views of anyone who doesn't agree with every word you say, as RM pointed out.

I'm sure that this witticism is lost on the family of Jean Charles de Menezes

Yet another of your hobby horses. You really are a bit of a stuck record these days, Amateur.

[amateur51]

So has Scotty. But you steadfastly refuse to accept his point of view as valid, or indeed the views of anyone who doesn't agree with every word you say, as RM pointed out.



Yet another of your hobby horses. You really are a bit of a stuck record these days, Amateur.

You can tell the Italian GP is over and I warrant from Pee's moue that young Lewis didn't do well :biggrin:

Where have I done this, PPot?

[amateur51]

Yet another of your hobby horses. You really are a bit of a stuck record these days, Amateur.

I'll continue to play it until complacent people such as you fess up to your error

[Resurrection Man]

I've already explained my position.

Why are you suddenly so reluctant to put yourself into the minds of people oppressed by other people because of how they were born?

And I too have also explained my position. Why is it that you cannot put yourself into the minds of those who hold religious beliefs?

[Resurrection Man]

I'm sure that this witticism is lost on the family of Jean Charles de Menezes

Oh give it a rest.

[ahinton]

Oh give it a rest.

I know that you're not addressing that to me, but give what a rest, RM?...