Musical Homophobia - or The Homophobia Histories

[ahinton]

I have reported you to the Campaign For Plain English.

Did they understand your request?

They have advised me not to engage with you until they have completed their preliminary investigation.

You don't necessarily have to adhere to their advice. Who's paying for this investigation anyway? - the taxpayer? - you? - the man in the moon?...

[Mr Pee]

I have reported you to the Campaign For Plain English. They have advised me not to engage with you until they have completed their preliminary investigation.

Politically Correct emoticon time:-

<laugh> <laugh> <thumbs up>

[ahinton]

Politically Correct emoticon time:-

<laugh> <laugh> <thumbs up>

See #991 before deciding on doing the former on the other side of your face, Mr Pee; selective reading does have its drawbacks, you know!

[Beef Oven!]

Please do not rush.

I did not suggest in Iraq, I therefore "check" facts, for which many thanks.

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[ahinton]

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Try reading #976 in its entirety. You really do seem to have issues when the word count goes into double figures...

[amateur51]

Don't make snide remarks and insult people about their chosen work, and don't bite the hand that feeds you.

P.S. Are you confusing me with someone else? Because twice you've made insulting remarks about what you think my job is, and I'm not even sure what a 'life coach' actually is.

P.P.S. Switch off at weekends? Are you confusing me with someone else? I've recently returned from a three month holiday, I'm semi-retired and I only work to my own timetable.

My reference to 'Life Coach' stems from your profile of several editions previously. I am not confusing you with anyone else.

[jean]

Cultural hegemony is something 'done' to, not 'done' by the majority.

You are just pursuing a circular argument here.

There is no 'cultural hegemony' of homosexual people which is 'doing' anything to the heterosexual majority.

Unless, that is, you mean that homosexual people have raised awareness among the heterosexual majority of the disadvantages they have suffered, so that most people who didn't know much about the matter before know a lot more now.

[Anna]

people have raised awareness among the heterosexual majority of the disadvantages they have suffered, so that most people who didn't know much about the matter before know a lot more now.

Whar I find amazing, is watching the Dirk Bogarde film Victim recently, and realising this really happened. To me, it harks back to apartheid, which seems, totally unbeliveable now that it actually existed.

[amateur51]

Whar I find amazing, is watching the Dirk Bogarde film Victim recently, and realising this really happened. To me, it harks back to apartheid, which seems, totally unbeliveable now that it actually existed.

Great post, Anna! :ok:

Bogarde took a huge risk in making this film as it could so easily have back-fired on him. However it marked him out as an actor of courage and a far greater range than many had realised hitherto and he enjoyed the late flowering of a career in European art films that established him as a great screen actor.

[Ferretfancy]

Great post, Anna! :ok:

Bogarde took a huge risk in making this film as it could so easily have back-fired on him. However it marked him out as an actor of courage and a far greater range than many had realised hitherto and he enjoyed the late flowering of a career in European art films that established him as a great screen actor.

It's certainly true that Dirk Bogarde risked his reputation by making Victim. What came later is interesting because even when attitudes towards gays were beginning to improve he stayed cautiously in the closet. It saddens me that he never acknowledged the existence of a very long term partner, a fact that I find difficult to take on board. In fairness it's possible that his partner wished to remain unknown, but in the sixties and seventies gays needed figures in public life who were brave enough to come out, in the end honesty did not do Ian McKellan and a few others any harm.

Victim, in common with a few other films such as Sunday Bloody Sunday, usually featured gay relationships in which middle or upper class protagonists were linked to younger working class men. The only exception I can think of was the Leather Boys, in which the bike culture was the strongest feature. I worked in Brick Lane in the early fifties, and found a surprisingly live and let live attitude among the workers at Truman's Brewery, gays didn't seem a problem to them at all.

In 1848, the men at Barclay Perkins brewery in Southwark set upon the Hungarian general Haynau, who had violently suppressed a revolution at home. He made the mistake of visiting Britain, was pursued by the mob, and had to hide in a dustbin. I rather hoped that the Trumans workers might have done the same to Sir David Maxwell Fife, but sadly he never wandered by.

[amateur51]

You are just pursuing a circular argument here.

There is no 'cultural hegemony' of homosexual people which is 'doing' anything to the heterosexual majority.

Unless, that is, you mean that homosexual people have raised awareness among the heterosexual majority of the disadvantages they have suffered, so that most people who didn't know much about the matter before know a lot more now.

It doesn't seem to have worked with The Charity Commission ...

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/nov/17/human-dignity-trust-charity-commission

[eighthobstruction]

Seemingly mad decision....there must be thousands of charities with a similar raison d'etre....

[amateur51]

Seemingly mad decision....there must be thousands of charities with a similar raison d'etre....

It seems to hinge on the notions of 'public benefit' and 'campaigning'.

Back in the day, the rule on campaigning went something like it was ok for a charity to say "the government's policy on homelessness has led to ..." supported by research data but it was not ok to say "This Tory government's homelessness policies have made a bad situation worse". It was quite easy to stay within the rule, in reality.

The 'public benefit' rule is relatively new and I think is a ticking bomb waiting to go off. For example, the promotion of religion is a charitable purpose but Britain is no longer a Christian country by any stretch of the imagination so the boundaries in which a Christian organisation might seek to demonstrate a public benefit might be a lot tighter than people would like to think.

However, we shall see what develops.

[ahinton]

Seemingly mad decision....there must be thousands of charities with a similar raison d'etre....

It appears to be predicated upon the notion that any work undertaken by charitable organisations that seeks to bring about or encourage changes in countries' laws may not be deemed to fall within the scope of what those organisations may do and therefore conflicts with their charitable status - a most dangerous precedent, it seems to me.

[Flosshilde]

It doesn't seem to have worked with The Charity Commission ...

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2013/...ity-commission

This is the organisation that is happy for Eton to have charitable status.