Musical Homophobia - or The Homophobia Histories

[Mary Chambers]

As soon as some criminal politician introduces a law that forbids the promotion of heterosexuality amongst children and adults
As soon as groups of thugs start thinking they're allowed to beat up, torture and murder heterosexuals simply and entirely for being heterosexual
As soon as Religious leaders condemn heterosexual activities as being sinful and un-natural
As soon as the police raid pubs where heterosexuals are known to meet, purely in the hope of arresting and humiliating anyone engaging in heterosexual activities

I shall join any "Straight Pride" March through London.

Well said.

[scottycelt]

Or, alternatively, reductio ad absurdum.

Or, even possibly, double standards ? ... sorry, don't know the Latin for that!

[scottycelt]

As soon as some criminal politician introduces a law that forbids the promotion of heterosexuality amongst children and adults
As soon as groups of thugs start thinking they're allowed to beat up, torture and murder heterosexuals simply and entirely for being heterosexual
As soon as Religious leaders condemn heterosexual activities as being sinful and un-natural
As soon as the police raid pubs where heterosexuals are known to meet, purely in the hope of arresting and humiliating anyone engaging in heterosexual activities

I shall join any "Straight Pride" March through London.

Hmmmm, seems like one heck of a lot of pre-conditions there ... such as, if the whole world changes and it and you begin to think like me I might consider associating with it and you.

I think you might as well stay at home and save yourself the trouble and inconvenience. :ok:

[amateur51]

Meanwhile, Christians and others are being persecuted and slaughtered in the Middle East ...

I think that's slanting things rather unnecessarily, scotty - what about women, children, men, Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) Coptic Christians, lesbians and gay men, secularists, and people of no faith - how's that?

[jean]

Hmmmm, seems like one heck of a lot of pre-conditions there ...

I think you've completely missed the point, scotty - which is that all those things really did happen to gay people before there were any 'Pride' marches.

[scottycelt]

I think that's slanting things rather unnecessarily, scotty - what about women, children, men, Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) Coptic Christians, lesbians and gay men, secularists, and people of no faith - how's that?

Noi it's called BALANCE, amsey ... we must keep things in perspective. Of course people of all creeds and none are currently being slaughtered in the Middle East.

However, Putin's Russia, for all it's undoubted injustices, is quite obviously not comparable to Hitler's Germany as the self-advertising Fry ridiculously claims. Many Jews themselves might be deeply hurt and offended by such a silly suggestion.

Check out French Frank's reductio ad absurdum!

[french frank]

Check out French Frank's reductio ad absurdum!

Actually, I meant a straw man argument.

[amateur51]

Noi it's called BALANCE, amsey ... we must keep things in perspective. Of course people of all creeds and none are currently being slaughtered in the Middle East.

However, Putin's Russia, for all it's undoubted injustices, is quite obviously not comparable to Hitler's Germany as the self-advertising Fry ridiculously claims. Many Jews themselves might be deeply hurt and offended by such a silly suggestion.[/I]

I guess that, as a gay Jew himself, Stephen Fry will have been aware of this and possibly will have checked it out before posting his letter.

And certainly his action has been praised by some Jews.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/110320/jewish-gay-groups-back-stephen-fry-over-russian-anti-gay-law

I can't see why you think it is ridiculous - the man has a sense of history possibly repeating itself, that's all.

And some very alarming and sad news from Russia that seems to reflect Stephen Fry's concerns

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/109793/chabad-rabbi-shot-south-west-russia

[amateur51]

Noi it's called BALANCE, amsey ... we must keep things in perspective. Of course people of all creeds and none are currently being slaughtered in the Middle East.
[/I]

There was no balance in your post, scotty - you mentioned the suffering only of Christians by name

[scottycelt]

Actually, I meant a straw man argument.

I have no idea what you meant but I did manage 'O' Level Latin!

[scottycelt]

There was no balance in your post, scotty - you mentioned the suffering only of Christians by name

I said 'Christians & others' ...

Have you a particular problem with the 'Christians' bit?

[amateur51]

I said 'Christians & others' ...

Have you a particular problem with the 'Christians' bit?

Only in that is singularly exclusive and rather puts the 'others' in the shade, in terms of balance.

[Flosshilde]

I think you've completely missed the point, scotty - which is that all those things really did happen to gay people before there were any 'Pride' marches.

Are you really surprised, Jean? Scotty has shown himself completely unable to understand any argument on this subject.

[french frank]

I think this discussion has been a bit derailed.

[Mr Pee]

I guess that, as a gay Jew himself, Stephen Fry will have been aware of this and possibly will have checked it out before posting his letter.

And certainly his action has been praised by some Jews.

Yes- the Lewish Gay and Lesbian Group- hardly surprising.

And some very alarming and sad news from Russia that seems to reflect Stephen Fry's concerns

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news...th-west-russia

Last paragraph:-

Secretary-general of the European Jewish Congress Serge Cwajgenbaum also expressed his “deep concern and shock” at the incident, though he cautioned that he would “reserve comment while we await the results of the police investigation.”

Perhaps you should do the same. What this has to do with the issue under discussion, I haven't the faintest idea. There is no indication in the article that this Rabbi was gay.