Wearing of Burka

[MrGongGong]

Here is an interesting article that's just appeared in the online New Statesman, though I dare say this publication will be anathema to some participants in (what used to be) this discussion, under the title Have you ever met a woman in a niqab? Has one ever harmed you?. In my case the answer to both questions is no. Anyone else?

My answer is Yes many times
and No

[Beef Oven!]

My answer is Yes many times
and No

That's soo easy! Yes, all the time and no!

In fact, I have just this minute returned from a walk in the park where in one section, we were outnumbered by women in such attire and we got out unharmed!

But what is it really about?

[Mr Pee]

That's soo easy! Yes, all the time and no!

But what is it really about?

Any chance people could stop quoting GG? It means I still see his posts. :(

[Beef Oven!]

Any chance people could stop quoting GG? It means I still see his posts. :(

Come on Pee, we might not agree with his politics, but his posts are entertaining and educating!

[Mr Pee]

Come on Pee, we might not agree with his politics, but his posts are entertaining and educating!

I would beg to differ...

[MrGongGong]

Any chance people could stop quoting GG? It means I still see his posts. :(

GO away if you don't want to read them ...........

[Richard Barrett]

Just so everyone can see this:

GO away if you don't want to read them ...........

So: nobody here has been harmed in any way by a woman wearing a niqab, am I right? Does anyone know of any occasion on which anyone at all has been harmed in any way by a woman wearing a niqab?

[MrGongGong]

Just so everyone can see this:



So: nobody here has been harmed in any way by a woman wearing a niqab, am I right? Does anyone know of any occasion on which anyone at all has been harmed in any way by a woman wearing a niqab?

don't be daft Richard
what we need is more rules....... isn't it ?
otherwise CHAOS
I mean look at the history of music .............

(you might like this ........http://www.hud.ac.uk/research/resear...cerenem/noise/)

[Richard Barrett]

(you might like this ........http://www.hud.ac.uk/research/resear...cerenem/noise/)

Yes, I knew about that, it looks interesting, I see a few familiar names involved in it but quite a few unfamiliar ones too, which is nice. And actually I won't be far from there at the time, so I might well drop in and see at least the opening concert.

[Mr Pee]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10311245/Sarah-Wollaston-Veil-debate-should-be-wake-up-call-for-feminism.html

[MrGongGong]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-feminism.html

She is more than a little confused methinks
So , I wonder if those who are compelled to wear certain dress (which I don't hear anyone condoning)
will be liberated by a law or simply hidden away ?
I suspect the latter.

and as for this

"Sometimes you have to force people to be equal." ....... which is nonsense, her idea will not make anyone equal, it will simply hide women away.

and this

"Women should be clear that the burka is a symbol not of liberation but of repression and segregation."

is simply ignorant and offensive. I heard an interesting exchange on R5 today between 2 women (one was a teacher) who chose to wear the niqab neither of whom was repressed or segregated.

She also pulls out the communication nonsense........

There ARE women who are oppressed by men, religion and interpretations of religion BUT this is not the way to address what are real problems for some.

[teamsaint]

there really should be heavy punishments for MPs who talk bollocks, and are such a danger to society.
There are lot of them round here, as well as in totnes.

[Resurrection Man]

Here is an interesting article that's just appeared in the online New Statesman, though I dare say this publication will be anathema to some participants in (what used to be) this discussion, under the title Have you ever met a woman in a niqab? Has one ever harmed you?. In my case the answer to both questions is no. Anyone else?

Maybe not. Plenty of instances of men wearing niqabs/whatever and robbing/assaulting/killing etc.

[teamsaint]

Maybe not. Plenty of instances of men wearing niqabs/whatever and robbing/assaulting/killing etc.

where? when?

Plenty of crime by people wearing jeans and sweat shirts.
plenty of robbery by blokes wearing stripey shirts and braces.
Plenty of assaults by people under the orders of our governments.

I feel a lot more threatened by, for instance, the cops on the gates of the historic naval dockyards, or Waterloo station on a Saturday morning carrying automatic weapons than I do by women wearing Islamic dress.

No really.

[Mr Pee]

there really should be heavy punishments for MPs who talk bollocks, and are such a danger to society.
There are lot of them round here, as well as in totnes.

Ah, there's a nice reasoned response to a perfectly reasonable argument.

How about this?

http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2013/09/yes-but-niqab-debate.html

And do try to rise above kindergarten level.