Wearing of Burka

[jean]

I'd be worried about this if I was giving evidence - either as a witness or the accused...

And I've been worried about it as a juror!

[ahinton]

So feminism is a "cult" now is it? Interesting.

To scotty, perhaps; I have no devidence to suggest that this is other than a very isolated "view"...

[Pabmusic]

And I've been worried about it as a juror!

To be fair, no-one expects jurors to consider a witness's demeanour in isolation. It's a summation - you've heard the evidence and seen the witnesses, now what do you believe? Do you accept what A said? If so, where does that leave us? Do you think B was being completely truthful when he said...? And you make those judgements on what you have seen and heard, using your common sense.

[scottycelt]

So feminism is a "cult" now is it? Interesting.

Had to smile at the address of this site ... nothing to do with me ... honestly. :laugh:

http://www.celticsurf.net/freeworld/femcult.html

Still, we are getting ever so slightly off-topic here aren't we ...?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

And you make those judgements on what you have seen and heard, using your common sense.

We're doomed!

[jean]

http://www.celticsurf.net/freeworld/femcult.html

Good grief, scotty, where do you find these things?

This one's on a par with those anti-gay-marriage gay people you quoted on another thread

(Sorry to bring up the forbidden subject again)

But you're overreacting. I for one have never assumed your Catholic faith is arrived at and sustained without the involvement of reason.

That's why I think it's worth encouraging you to take the application of reason a little further, rather than giving you up as a lost cause.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

We must remember that the Courts of Justice are a secular institution and so religious dress etc, should not be an issue. Therefore, the Judge is quite right about the woman covering her face.

Is anyone doubting this, Bbm? As pointed out in #30, spokespersons/"leaders" from the Muslim communities agree that this is the case, and that there is no problem for anyone in asking a woman to reveal her face in a Court of Law.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

That's why I think it's worth encouraging you to take the application of reason a little further, rather than giving you up as a lost cause.

Doooomed, I tell ye!

[jean]

Well, I haven't given up yet.

Because I know scotty is an intelligent and open-minded person really, I know he will read this:

http://catholicfeminist.com/2013/04/01/introducing-the-catholic-feminist/

[amateur51]

Doooomed, I tell ye!

:laugh:

[french frank]

And I've been worried about it as a juror!

But you will usually be one of twelve who get to discuss such points, which will again be 'not evidence' although you'll presumably take it into consideration if you have doubts.

As pabs's link shows, people are well aware of the fact that some people, more than others, are simply nervous about appearing as witnesses and display an anxiety that they will be disbelieved. A judge will give some directions to the jurors as to what they should consider. And among twelve jurors I imagine there will be some who are just suspicious of a witness who insists on hiding her facial expressions and 'demeanour'.

Juries make mistakes - the nature of the beast. I don't know what the statistics are of those who convict when they should acquit as against those who acquit when they should convict. Impossible to establish, I suppose.

[Pabmusic]

We're doomed!

Always been that way, Ferney. The alternative is to have judges make the decisions.

[amateur51]

Juries make mistakes - the nature of the beast. I don't know what the statistics are of those who convict when they should acquit as against those who acquit when they should convict. Impossible to establish, I suppose.

And best left that way

[Flosshilde]

Good grief, scotty, where do you find these things?

Perhaps he writes them?

The home page is interesting http://www.celticsurf.net/home/ (in a rather weird way).

[french frank]

The home page is interesting http://www.celticsurf.net/home/ (in a rather weird way).

You mean the "Beam me up" link?