Wearing of Burka

[scottycelt]

Perhaps he writes them?

The home page is interesting http://www.celticsurf.net/home/ (in a rather weird way).

Yes, that's why I said it had absolutely nothing to do with me, Flossie ... wake up, please! :smile:

[jean]

Yes, that's why I said it had absolutely nothing to do with me...

You can't evade the responsibility so easily, scotty - if it didn't before, it does now.

It is you who have taken this tiny backwater of antifeminist nonsense and, by dint if posting a link to it on one of the most widely read and respected organs in the entire country, or even the world, have endorsed it to a mainstream audience of millions.

[scottycelt]

Well, I haven't given up yet.

Because I know scotty is an intelligent and open-minded person really, I know he will read this:

http://catholicfeminist.com/2013/04/...olic-feminist/

Oh, you are a charmer!

They're everywhere, jean ... everywhere ... Fems lurking under the pulpits and pews and waiting to pounce on unsuspecting male worshippers.

And one a bit nearer home has just told me to get back to paint-stripping the bathroom walls ... what a life. (Enter Ams51 with a Hancock clip!)

[jean]

They're everywhere, jean ... everywhere ... Fems lurking under the pulpits and pews and waiting to pounce on unsuspecting male worshippers...

In your dreams, scotty, in your dreams! :shockhorror:

[Tony Halstead]

You can't evade the responsibility so easily, scotty - if it didn't before, it does now.

It is you who have taken this tiny backwater of antifeminist nonsense and, by dint if posting a link to it on one of the most widely read and respected organs in the entire country, or even the world, have endorsed it to a mainstream audience of millions.

Come on now, jean, it's just 'a bit of fun', surely?

[french frank]

Getting back to women's 'free choice': I knew two women - a generation older than me, both married (one a Catholic, but apart from the fact that she had nine children, I won't make that a factor), neither drove a car because their husbands drove everywhere, and in one case he wouldn't let his wife learn, the husband looked after all the finances, got in the tradesmen to do repairs &c &c. Nice life for the wives, free from all the worries shouldered by the husband. I don't know how they voted, but in my time I not infrequently came across women who had no idea which party they would vote for because 'my husband decides that'. They were happy bunnies.

But they were culturally indoctrinated to take the 'woman's role', be obedient and subservient: so this was not free choice - it was unthinking acceptance of a status quo, the knowledge of what was expected of women in their position. No wonder some feel that feminists have a lot to answer for, dratted females.

[jean]

False consciousness, it's called.

[zoomy]

Hear, hear Jean.

[Flosshilde]

False consciousness, it's called.

Such a long time since I last heard that. Quite takes me back, it does.

[Flosshilde]

But they were culturally indoctrinated to take the 'woman's role', be obedient and subservient: so this was not free choice - it was unthinking acceptance of a status quo, the knowledge of what was expected of women in their position. No wonder some feel that feminists have a lot to answer for, dratted females.

Not something Scotty would recognise or understand.

[zoomy]

Always good to hear though, Floss ? Marx was always so spot on with his analysis and coined some wonderful terms. My favourite is that a finished product is 'congealed labour'.

[french frank]

Given a certain battering elsewhere, I'm flattered (and not at all unpleased) to see that my personal analysis coincided with Marxist thought.

[scottycelt]

Getting back to women's 'free choice': I knew two women - a generation older than me, both married (one a Catholic, but apart from the fact that she had nine children, I won't make that a factor), neither drove a car because their husbands drove everywhere, and in one case he wouldn't let his wife learn, the husband looked after all the finances, got in the tradesmen to do repairs &c &c. Nice life for the wives, free from all the worries shouldered by the husband. I don't know how they voted, but in my time I not infrequently came across women who had no idea which party they would vote for because 'my husband decides that'. They were happy bunnies.

One marrying a Catholic, eh? ... poor thing, how utterly dreadful. :winkeye:

The striking thing about the above is that the two women you mention you also describe as 'happy bunnies'. So you would really have preferred them to be unhappy? Surely 'happiness' is the only real goal of each and every one of us?

But they were culturally indoctrinated to take the 'woman's role', be obedient and subservient: so this was not free choice - it was unthinking acceptance of a status quo, the knowledge of what was expected of women in their position. No wonder some feel that feminists have a lot to answer for, dratted females.

Nothing wrong with females, quite the reverse! You seem to think that feminism=female.

Not my experience, again quite the reverse. A male contributor says he's 'a proud feminist'. Some women who presumably know rather better about the actual state of being a woman beg to differ and are equally as 'proud'. (sorry to astonish Jean with yet another link readily available alongside scores of similar others on Google!)

http://www.freewebs.com/wafs/

Women would appear to be just as diverse as men. Not all women are feminists just like not all men are misogynists!

[french frank]

Surely 'happiness' is the only real goal of each and every one of us?

I imagine some people think that, but it is a bit egotistical, isn't it? Possibly even solipsistic.

You seem to think that feminism=female.

That doesn't follow at all. But you wouldn't have feminism if females/women didn't exist.

Not all women are feminists

Well, not the two in my anecdotes, to look no further ...

[Serial_Apologist]

One marrying a Catholic, eh? ... poor thing, how utterly dreadful. :winkeye:

The striking thing about the above is that the two women you mention you also describe as 'happy bunnies'. So you would really have preferred them to be unhappy? Surely 'happiness' is the only real goal of each and every one of us?

So, I take it then that you would be in favour of unlimited free supplies of marihuana for the entire population, scotty?