Wearing of Burka

[scottycelt]

I'm still convinced we all instinctively seek 'happiness'. That does not necessarily indicate 'selfishness' as helping others can be very rewarding and can therefore make us 'happy'. Of course 'happiness' can be elusive and can depend on personal life circumstances. How could anyone be truly happy when everything in life seems to thwart them, have chronic ill-health, or suddenly find themselves in the middle of a battle-zone or terrorist attack?

Still, I think most of us would rather be poor and happy than rich and miserable, though, speaking for myself, I'd quite easily settle for the middle-of-the-road compromise of being rich and happy.

[jean]

Oh there you are, scotty - can you remember who that anti-gay-marriage gay person that you quoted was?

[scottycelt]

Oh there you are, scotty - can you remember who that anti-gay-marriage gay person that you quoted was?

I didn't quote any 'anti-gay-marriage gay person', Jean, I simply provided a link on Google!

Can't you find it yourself on the thread from which I'm now so deliriously 'happy' to have been quite mercifully delivered ... ? :whistle:

[jean]

No I can't - you posted it, you find it!

[scottycelt]

No I can't - you posted it, you find it!

The post and link must still be there ... you want it, you find it ... are you really pleading that, as a mere woman. you need the help of a man to find it?

Sexist!

[french frank]

speaking for myself, I'd quite easily settle for the middle-of-the-road compromise of being rich and happy.

I think that's decribes as a GSOH :-) Not a compromise, but one extreme.

Thinking about it, I think that what has motivated me, certainly in latter decades, is that there's something that needs to be done.

[Pabmusic]

One supermarket where I used to shop had a sign reading "Wellbeing" over one of its aisles. Says it all, really.

I'm afraid it does. You may take it, then, that when I say "wellbeing" I mean talcum powder.

[Beef Oven!]

This is going to run......... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24112067

.......and run http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24109186

[Mr Pee]

This is going to run......... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24112067

.......and run http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-24109186

I love the caption under that BBC photo of the woman covered head to toe..."The defendant, who cannot be identified, was present for the hearing." <laugh> <laugh>

It is of course absurd to suggest that a defendant should be unidentifiable in court. And it is right that teachers should be able to see the faces of those they are teaching. There is a wider debate to be had about the niqab/burka etc., and whether it has any place at all in a modern civilised society, and I am glad that Jeremy Browne has raised that subject.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10312343/Downing-Street-backs-ban-on-veils-in-hospitals-and-councils.html

I would hope that we will, in time, follow the example of France on this issue.

[Beef Oven!]

I love the caption under that BBC photo of the woman covered head to toe..."The defendant, who cannot be identified, was present for the hearing." <laugh> <laugh>

It is of course absurd to suggest that a defendant should be unidentifiable in court. And it is right that teachers should be able to see the faces of those they are teaching. There is a wider debate to be had about the niqab/burka etc., and whether it has any place at all in a modern civilised society, and I am glad that Jeremy Browne has raised that subject.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10312343/Downing-Street-backs-ban-on-veils-in-hospitals-and-councils.html

I would hope that we will, in time, follow the example of France on this issue.

Maybe the Gwerdian will mount a campaign to follow Belgium and France!

P.S. what have you done to your hair?

[amateur51]

You can't evade the responsibility so easily, scotty - if it didn't before, it does now.

It is you who have taken this tiny backwater of antifeminist nonsense and, by dint if posting a link to it on one of the most widely read and respected organs in the entire country, or even the world, have endorsed it to a mainstream audience of millions.

Especially as it's now available on a subscribers-only part of said organ.

[MrGongGong]

This is a complex and tricky issue
BUT
the non argument about how difficult it is to communicate with someone who's face you can't see is daft
Stevie Wonder seems to manage fine as do thousands of other people
and the telephone seems to work ok

And it is right that teachers should be able to see the faces of those they are teaching.

I was working with a blind music teacher last term. So I guess they should be sacked ?

If we are to imprison a man for NOT wearing clothes and forbid people from wearing certain other clothes ??

There ARE people who are oppressed by being forced to dress in certain ways , however, having worked with women in schools who do wear the Burka I can say that in my experience there is no problem with communication and it's a big assumption to say that ALL people who do wear it are being forced. Will it be illegal for Jewish women to wear wigs ?

[amateur51]

Which seems to suggest that only a limited amount of happiness is available for sharing around.

Ah the economy of happiness - is it a bit like the economy of love?

[amateur51]

I'm afraid it does. You may take it, then, that when I say "wellbeing" I mean talcum powder.

Anything that helps you rub along smoothly, eh Pabs?

[Beef Oven!]

This is a complex and tricky issue
BUT
the non argument about how difficult it is to communicate with someone who's face you can't see is daft
Stevie Wonder seems to manage fine as do thousands of other people
and the telephone seems to work ok


I was working with a blind music teacher last term. So I guess they should be sacked ?

If we are to imprison a man for NOT wearing clothes and forbid people from wearing certain other clothes ??

There ARE people who are oppressed by being forced to dress in certain ways , however, having worked with women in schools who do wear the Burka I can say that in my experience there is no problem with communication and it's a big assumption to say that ALL people who do wear it are being forced. Will it be illegal for Jewish women to wear wigs ?

Indeed, a very tricky issue. Do we ban blind jurors?