Sincere disingenuousness

[KipperKid]

Indeed it's not
BUT
if you smokies really want to be taken seriously by anyone apart from the bigots
then dismissing horrible people like this as simply "eccentrics" who "choose their words badly" is not the way to behave at all.

Who has dismissed Bloom simply as an eccentric?

[MrGongGong]

Who has dismissed Bloom simply as an eccentric?

I don't think the kippers HAVE dismissed him ?
He is , by all accounts, a rather nasty bigoted self publicist who seems to take great pleasure in being as offensive as possible
WHY ? is a so called "serious" party having anything to do with this dickhead ?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

i do not approve of mr b nor his works nor his utterances but it is a free country and he has not been tried and found guilty of owt as far as i can tell [so far]

[DavidP]

I don't think the kippers HAVE dismissed him ?
He is , by all accounts, a rather nasty bigoted self publicist who seems to take great pleasure in being as offensive as possible
WHY ? is a so called "serious" party having anything to do with this dickhead ?

It never ceases to amaze me the lengths to which some will go in order to deny they're racist, even when they say and write the kind of things that a racist might well say or write. I can imagine that if a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan were caught mid-cross-burning, he would swiftly explain that of course he isn’t racist and he has a black friend and he was just drunk and he’s very sorry for any offence caused.

And, to those seeking to make excuses for UKIP: read this and tell me this isn't a party of vile bigots:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/ukip-party-bigots-lets-look-evidence

[scottycelt]

Re. stupidity and ignorance, I think how seriously we should take them depends on who is showing them. It does not matter very much if they are shown by the man emptying my dustbins, or digging holes in the road (which is not to say that those people are stupid or ignorant, only that if they were it wouldnt matter much), but it does matter in the case of a politician in the public eye who aspires to represent us.

Unlike some of the sillier comments here ... which almost make Bloom's remarks appear tolerant and sensitively-delivered ... your point above is a very valid one indeed.

We certainly would expect politicians in the public eye, and who aspire to represent us, to behave in an appropriate manner and to watch their words very carefully.

However, Mr Bloom has made no bones about the fact that he was well aware of the furore his words would cause in the media. It appears it was a self-advertising exercise as he apparently believes that most voters are as stupid and ignorant in their attitudes as he is himself.

Thankfully, I believe he is hopelessly wrong ... and so, much more significantly, does Mr Farage.

[MrGongGong]

And, to those seeking to make excuses for UKIP: read this and tell me this isn't a party of vile bigots:

Which is why I find our Kipper friend in here so puzzling ?
I mean
Why would anyone with a passion for interesting music and a complete collection of the great works of Holger Czukay waste his life with these nasty people ? it's most perplexing .........

[KipperKid]

I don't think the kippers HAVE dismissed him ?
He is , by all accounts, a rather nasty bigoted self publicist who seems to take great pleasure in being as offensive as possible
WHY ? is a so called "serious" party having anything to do with this dickhead ?

I know you will agree that Godfrey has a point about foreign aid. I know you are not so dumb as to believe that the motivation is benevolence or altruism.

Do people really believe that it is appropriate to give serious amounts of money to a country like India that has a space programme and nuclear weapons aspirations? A country that can't be arsed to inoculate its infants and young against the most basic diseases, whilst it has more billionaires than the UK, France or Germany, for example?

All this while disabled people in the UK are being told we don't have the money to support them properly.

:winkeye:

[MrGongGong]

I know you will agree that Godfrey has a point about foreign aid. I know you are not so dumb as to believe that the motivation is benevolence or altruism.

Do people really believe that it is appropriate to give serious amounts of money to a country like India that has a space programme and nuclear weapons aspirations? A country that can't be arsed to inoculate its infants and young against the most basic diseases, whilst it has more billionaires than the UK, France or Germany, for example?

All this while disabled people in the UK are being told we don't have the money to support them properly. :winkeye:

You really miss the point completely
There is a discussion to be had about where we spend aid and who to
BUT you are falling into the trap of thinking that because one might object to this horrible nasty bigoted man that one is in favour of giving money to millionaires.

Why would you align yourself with this dick ?

[KipperKid]

You really miss the point completely
There is a discussion to be had about where we spend aid and who to
BUT you are falling into the trap of thinking that because one might object to this horrible nasty bigoted man that one is in favour of giving money to millionaires.

Why would you align yourself with this dick ?

Align? Why do you say I align myself with him?

.

[MrGongGong]

Align? Why do you say I align myself with him?

.

I thought you were part of his "party" ?
sorry if I made a mistake

[KipperKid]

I thought you were part of his "party" ?
sorry if I made a mistake

You were talking about aligning with Godfrey. I 'said' he had a point.

[amateur51]

Couple of years back: http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/node/47809

Cheers, Cali :ok:

[MrGongGong]

You were talking about aligning with Godfrey. I 'said' he had a point.

Everyone has a 'point' , but this man is a bigoted idiot
why be part of a group that includes folk like this ? (and he isn't the only one as you well know ? )

[KipperKid]

Everyone has a 'point' , but this man is a bigoted idiot
why be part of a group that includes folk like this ? (and he isn't the only one as you well know ? )

He's not an idiot, I can assure you.

[MrGongGong]

He's not an idiot, I can assure you.

hummm I don't see any evidence to the contrary
is it not more than a little idiotic to say these things ?