Pope Francis and Gay People

[amateur51]

I think there are one or two posters who mention their homosexuality at every possible opportunity, and I find that rather tiresome.

Just as most heterosexuals refer to their sexuality constantly too, Mr Pee.

I got over it and you can too

[Mr Pee]

Just as most heterosexuals refer to their sexuality constantly too, Mr Pee.

Do they?

[amateur51]

Do they?

They do. They call it 'normal'

[MrGongGong]

They do. They call it 'normal'

Now by a strange co-incidence my washing machine has a 'normal' setting
would something odd happen if I used it on 'homosexual clothes' ?

[amateur51]

Now by a strange co-incidence my washing machine has a 'normal' setting
would something odd happen if I used it on 'homosexual clothes' ?

Ah 'normality' is a moveable feast Mr GG

But don't tell our dictionary friend.

[MrGongGong]

Ah 'normality' is a moveable feast Mr GG

But don't tell our dictionary friend.

Phew that's a relief
I mean, i'm sharing an apartment next week with a gay man
and didn't want all my plain shirts to come out flowery if I washed them in the same machine that he uses !

;-)

[amateur51]

Phew that's a relief
I mean, i'm sharing an apartment next week with a gay man
and didn't want all my plain shirts to come out flowery if I washed them in the same machine that he uses !

;-)

Oh him!

[french frank]

I think it would be better to keep this topic narrowly defined: it's not, in general terms about homosexuality or religion, about which people have fixed ideas: it's about a particular news item.

Yes, I know it has wider ranging aspects, but do try, please.

[amateur51]

I think it would be better to keep this topic narrowly defined: it's not, in general terms about homosexuality or religion, about which people have fixed ideas: it's about a particular news item.

Yes, I know it has wider ranging aspects, but do try, please.

Good and fair points, french frank.

I reckon this thread has probably run its course

[ahinton]

Now by a strange co-incidence my washing machine has a 'normal' setting
would something odd happen if I used it on 'homosexual clothes' ?

You're missing the pont, if I may say so, MrGG; your washing machine, in order to be more socially equitable, should also have a "gay" setting - it's not about what you put into it but the setting that you use for laundering it!

[ahinton]

Good and fair points, french frank.

I reckon this thread has probably run its course

I'm inclined to agree and that it should reach a natural conclusion unless anyone has new points to make that fall specifially within FF's definition above.

[jean]

Here is the link I promised yesterday.

In that it gives the reactions of gay Catholics themselves to the Pope's statements, I hope it will be considered admissible.

...Today, [Pope Francis] has delivered some thoughts which are more explicitly favourable, insisting that gays should be integrated into society, must not be marginalized or discriminated against, and should be welcomed into the priesthood. Welcome words indeed. There is in fact absolutely nothing new in this – it’s all absolutely standard, orthodox Catholic doctrine, which contains two parts. There is a compassionate side, directing that we should be treated with respect, compassion and sensitivity, and protected from unjust discrimination, and from violence or malice, in words or in deeds. Then there’s the harsh side, denying absolutely any hope of physical expression of our loves in genital acts. The problem has been that many bishops, and the previous two popes, have ignored or directly flouted the compassionate parts of teaching, focusing exclusively on the harshest bits. Francis is not in any way signalling a shift in actual teaching – but he is introducing some sorely needed balance. That alone is welcome.

There’s a way to go yet to introduce sanity into the Catholic Church approach to human sexuality, for people of any orientation, but this is a great start.

(My emphasis.)

[amateur51]

Here is the link I promised yesterday.

In that it gives the reactions of gay Catholics themselves to the Pope's statements, I hope it will be considered admissible.

...Today, [Pope Francis] has delivered some thoughts which are more explicitly favourable, insisting that gays should be integrated into society, must not be marginalized or discriminated against, and should be welcomed into the priesthood. Welcome words indeed. There is in fact absolutely nothing new in this – it’s all absolutely standard, orthodox Catholic doctrine, which contains two parts. There is a compassionate side, directing that we should be treated with respect, compassion and sensitivity, and protected from unjust discrimination, and from violence or malice, in words or in deeds. Then there’s the harsh side, denying absolutely any hope of physical expression of our loves in genital acts. The problem has been that many bishops, and the previous two popes, have ignored or directly flouted the compassionate parts of teaching, focusing exclusively on the harshest bits. Francis is not in any way signalling a shift in actual teaching – but he is introducing some sorely needed balance. That alone is welcome.

There’s a way to go yet to introduce sanity into the Catholic Church approach to human sexuality, for people of any orientation, but this is a great start.

(My emphasis.)

A pertinent and rather moving post jean - many thanks

[Flosshilde]

I think there are one or two posters who mention their homosexuality at every possible opportunity, and I find that rather tiresome.

But it's perfectly reasonable for those posters who are married to mention their spouse 'at every possible opportunity' (Scotty is particularly notable in this respect)?

[Flosshilde]

No, you clearly don't understand. If a ghetto is open to everybody, it is by definition not a ghetto.

A ghetto is an area (usually geographical) where people belonging to a specific group are confined. Other people may be able to visit it, but are not confined to it. The key point, Mr. Pee, which you seem not to be able to grasp, is that the group confined are not allowed out of it, except possibly under very limited circumstances defined by those responsible for confining them there.