Pope Francis and Gay People

[MrGongGong]

I haven't detected homophobia on the forum, .

I've been trying to find some porn on the internet but seem to be having a bit of trouble as I can't seem to locate it anywhere ?


[Well, don't expect any suggestions here!! - ff :-) )

[Richard Barrett]

I do think that there are some who use the forum as a soapbox for these issues

What does that mean though? "These issues" relate to the degree to which the society we live in can be said to be civilised, apart from being issues that deeply affect many people's lives. When does caring about such things become soapboxing? As far as I can see, almost everyone on this forum is here because of a shared interest in the (many) kinds of music and other aspects of society and culture associated with Radio 3. Issues like the supposed subject of this thread are being discussed up and down the country and elsewhere by people brought together for other reasons. So why not here? If it's a controversial subject that makes it more worthy of discussion, not less.

The office of pope is of course a deeply conservative one; but generally they do seem to follow the evolution of the rest of human society with a delay of some decades; of course, while Francis may accept that priests can be gay, I assume he would become very judgemental indeed towards any priest whose sexuality was anything but theoretical, right?

[Mr Pee]

It's quite likely that Mr Pee wasn't listening to Radio 3 last evening.

No, I wasn't, I was out with my brother who has been visiting from Colombia. Is that allowed?

[Mr Pee]

I don't know about Mary, Mr Pee, but what made me think that you might assume that only gay people might be interested in gay politics was your comment in #18 that "there are plenty of messageboards for the gay community where you can discuss these issues to your heart's content" - as I am not a member of "the gay community", how can I (and other "straight" Forumistas who might be interested) access such discussions?

Well unless such forums require you to take some sort of sexual orientation test before you can post, I should have thought it would be pretty straightforward.

[jean]

... a soapbox for these issues... to plug gay issues...

These phrases remind me of nothing so much as the infamous Section 28 and the concept of 'promoting' homosexuality.

[Barbirollians]

Well unless such forums require you to take some sort of sexual orientation test before you can post, I should have thought it would be pretty straightforward.

So you are in favour of ghettoisation?

The fact that some members of this forum are gay and believe that platform 3 is an appropriate place to raise and discuss issues relating to them is perfectly appropriate . Moreover, it is equally appropriate for there to have been threads on same -sex marriage, whether those of particular faiths should be allowed not to provide services to those of whose sexual orientation they disapprove etc .

The problem appears to be that some of these topics raise such strong emotions that tempers are lost and insults thrown . It seems to me that the proper course is to deal with those as breaches of house rules and not to restrict what can be discussed or posted . If you believe a thread may raise your ire - you can always decide not to read it .

[Mr Pee]

So you are in favour of ghettoisation?

No, if I was in favour of ghettoisation then I would not be suggesting that heterosexuals join homosexual internet forums, now would I?

Come on, think it through.

[Barbirollians]

No, if I was in favour of ghettoisation then I would not be suggesting that heterosexuals join homosexual internet forums, now would I?

Come on, think it through.

Your suggestion is go and visit the ghetto ? But don't be inclusive and let gay people discuss issues particularly relevant to them on Platform 3 ?

[Flosshilde]

No, if I was in favour of ghettoisation then I would not be suggesting that heterosexuals join homosexual internet forums, now would I?

Oh yes you would, because you clearly don't understand what ghettos are. Just because you can join someone in a ghetto doesn't make it any less of one.

[Resurrection Man]

Some days I get the feeling that For3 has become a bit of a ghetto.

[amateur51]

Some days I get the feeling that For3 has become a bit of a ghetto.

Which bit did you have in mind? :erm:

[Mr Pee]

Oh yes you would, because you clearly don't understand what ghettos are. Just because you can join someone in a ghetto doesn't make it any less of one.

No, you clearly don't understand. If a ghetto is open to everybody, it is by definition not a ghetto.

[Mr Pee]

Your suggestion is go and visit the ghetto ? But don't be inclusive and let gay people discuss issues particularly relevant to them on Platform 3 ?

I think there are one or two posters who mention their homosexuality at every possible opportunity, and I find that rather tiresome.

[ahinton]

I think there are one or two posters who mention their homosexuality at every possible opportunity, and I find that rather tiresome.

Not only is "one or two" a very tiny proportion of the total membership, I have yet to encounter a single member who mentions his or her homosexuality "at every possible opportunity"; to do this would effectively presuppose that the member concerned mentions his or her sexual preferences in every post regardless of the topic to which they are contributing - and no one here does any such thing. I find it rather tiresome that anyone here chooses to assume that this forum has any members that behave in that way, particularly given that it doesn't; I find it especially tiresome that such an assumption is paraded here in a thread about Pope Francis.

[MrGongGong]

I think there are one or two posters who mention their homosexuality at every possible opportunity, and I find that rather tiresome.

If you go outside and look up
what's the big blue thing you can see ? (well not always blue , I know )

I find THAT also rather "tiresome" but I don't have to take any notice !

and you are wrong anyway