Privacy and the State

[Richard Barrett]

I came across quite a few missionaries before you were even born and started to read your books like there was no tomorrow.

You read my books before I was born? And I still haven't written one!

Anyhow:

Amateur51 said that Hitler was raised a Catholic and it was his post you called tosh. It's there for all to see.

For the rest, you've countered the findings of a thorough public survey with your own vague anecdotal "evidence", which you obviously believe though you have to admit the facts are against it, including your strange idea that "en element of doubt" is included in children's early religious education, which I put it to you that it isn't.

[amateur51]

But that has never been queried. What is challenged is that Hitler was a 'Catholic' in 1943 as stated in Pab's post, apparently via Herr Goebbels. You obviously haven't read either of our posts properly. Professor Richard Dawkins was raised as an Anglican. Are you suggesting because he was 'brought up' an Anglican that, due to religious 'indoctrination', he still remains an Anglican to this day despite constantly and publicly declaring he is an atheist?

I understand that Catholicism is very 'big' on the notions of heaven, hell, sin and damnation compared to Anglicanism - I may well be wrong, but if I'm right there may be a clue there.

Not that his 'tosh' was too 'occasional'. He also wrote this .. ."Women are directly fitted for acting as the nurses and teachers of our early childhood by the fact that they are themselves childish, frivolous and short-sighted"

Why am I not surprised that this is the one item of Schopenhauer's thought that scotty should have alighted on independently?

[scottycelt]

Amateur51 said that Hitler was raised a Catholic and it was his post you called tosh. It's there for all to see.

You seem to respond to posts before actually reading them properly. You are right I did infer his post as being 'tosh' but I first used the word to describe the info in Pab's. As you say it's there for all to see, even you! I've since demonstrated that the 'information' is indeed 'tosh' but you don't seem at all interested in the truth just more 'tosh'!

For the rest, you've countered the findings of a thorough public survey with your own vague anecdotal "evidence", which you obviously believe though you have to admit the facts are against it, including your strange idea that "en element of doubt" is included in children's early religious education, which I put it to you that it isn't.

I could pick so many holes in that survey but I won't bother here except to say that I share Jean's doubts about its general validity especially if it was confined to Americans where religious practice is greater than many other countries.

In any case I have to go by my own experiences not a suspiciously dodgy bunch of rather meaningless statistics!

[ahinton]

Any chance of some more Privacy and the State, folks?...

[amateur51]

Any chance of some more Privacy and the State, folks?...

Please Sir! - see msg # 1259

[amateur51]

In any case I have to go by my own experiences not a suspiciously dodgy bunch of rather meaningless statistics!

Does The Almighty know you're nobbut a vain solipsist, scotty*?






*clearly She does as She is everpresent and all-knowing apparently, but I had to arkse.

[scottycelt]

Any chance of some more Privacy and the State, folks?...

Don't be a spoilsport, ahinton ... just give your mate some of your usual, much-needed support, for goodness sake! ... actually, on second thoughts ... :laugh:

[jean]

...a thorough public survey...

Well, the subjects were Americans, and we all know about the peculiarity of their religious practices.

But if the argument here is meant to be that Catholicism is somehow responsible for Hitler because of its insidious influence on him despite the fact that he repudiated it, I suggest that really is clutching at straws...aka tosh.

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[Richard Barrett]

if the argument here is meant to be that Catholicism is somehow responsible for Hitler because of its insidious influence on him

That certainly wasn't my argument - I was just responding to scottycelt's blanket dismissal of a post by amateur51, which now, it turns out, partly referred to one of Pabmusic's, despite appearances... oh, never mind! you know how it is, trying to discuss anything with scottycelt.

As for the American survey, yes, of course I'm aware that Americans on average are more "religious" than Europeans, I was just looking for some hard statistics to support my (surely uncontroversial) contention that most people's "choice" of religion is more conditioned by that of their parents or upbringing than by anything else.

[ahinton]

Don't be a spoilsport, ahinton ... just give your mate some of your usual, much-needed support, for goodness sake! ... actually, on second thoughts ... :laugh:

Eh? "Spoiling" what "sport"? What "mate"? What "support"? Do stop speaking scotty! All that I did was plead for a return to the topic, although clearly I wasted my time on you with that.

[ahinton]

That certainly wasn't my argument - I was just responding to scottycelt's blanket dismissal of a post by amateur51, which now, it turns out, partly referred to one of Pabmusic's, despite appearances... oh, never mind! you know how it is, trying to discuss anything with scottycelt.

Well, I might think that I do do, but on the other hand, I'm not so sure; cans of worms can on occasion form a useful part of a debae but the problem with the contents is their habit of wriggling at every opportunity...

[scottycelt]

That certainly wasn't my argument - I was just responding to scottycelt's blanket dismissal of a post by amateur51, which now, it turns out, partly referred to one of Pabmusic's, despite appearances... oh, never mind! you know how it is, trying to discuss anything with scottycelt.

I believe so ... you have my utmost sympathy!

As for the American survey, yes, of course I'm aware that Americans on average are more "religious" than Europeans, I was just looking for some hard statistics to support my (surely uncontroversial) contention that most people's "choice" of religion is more conditioned by that of their parents or upbringing than by anything else.

And the same must therefore equally apply to one's parents' paganism, atheism and/or Marxism ... ?

[jean]

...my (surely uncontroversial) contention that most people's "choice" of religion is more conditioned by that of their parents or upbringing than by anything else.

It's true that most people who actually make a 'choice' of religion end up with something like their parents' - but most people these days, in Western Europe at any rate, 'choose' no religion at all.

I always remember a girl I taught in a school where most of the pupils were either Jewish or (nominally) Christian, whose parents were one of each. She used to complain bitterly that neither of them tried to influence her in any way as to whether she should adopt either system of belief or none, when what she really wanted was something to fight against.

[amateur51]

I believe so ... you have my utmost sympathy!



And the same must therefore equally apply to one's parents' paganism, atheism and/or Marxism ... ?

Oi! What about us apatheists, matey?

[amateur51]

It's true that most people who actually make a 'choice' of religion end up with something like their parents' - but most people these days, in Western Europe at any rate, 'choose' no religion at all.

I always remember a girl I taught in a school where most of the pupils were either Jewish or (nominally) Christian, whose parents were one of each. She used to complain bitterly that neither of them tried to influence her in any way as to whether she should adopt either system of belief or none, when what she really wanted was something to fight against.

Poor child - she wasn't to know that sooner or later scottycelt would provide that answer.