Privacy and the State

[Pabmusic]

Memories come flooding back - many thanks french frank :biggrin:

Yes, it's so easy to forget, isn't it?

[amateur51]

Yes, it's so easy to forget, isn't it?

Certainly is - if Gove were serious about teaching history, that trial would be on the National Curriculum :winkeye:

[Serial_Apologist]

Certainly is - if Gove were serious about teaching history, that trial would be on the National Curriculum :winkeye:

You're truly on form today, Ams!!!

[french frank]

Memories come flooding back - many thanks french frank :biggrin:

Yes, the implication being there that the QC just might to be up to some skulduggery because he was defending the anti-government defendant. And even if he wasn't up to skulduggery, they wanted to know what it was he was up to, presumably to outmanoeuvre him.

Ponting in a similar position to Snowden, having signed the Official Secrets Act and spurred on to expose government wrongdoing.

[Mr Pee]

Remember that government politicians in UK & USA (and elsewhere for all I know) are afforded top-flight personal security at your expense and mine for the rest of their lives - that kinda sums it up doesn't it. No such expense for an isolated musician on a Woolwich street :grr:

And how would that work, in practical terms? Do please enlighten us.....:laugh::laugh:

[Richard Barrett]

And how would that work, in practical terms? Do please enlighten us.....:laugh::laugh:

I believe the point is to emphasise that while the ruling class claim they do what they do to protect us, the only people they're actually interested in protecting is themselves.

And while I'm here: do you think that the PRISM programme began immediately after the murder in Woolwich, or that said programme was in place but failed to prevent it?

[Beef Oven]

I believe the point is to emphasise that while the ruling class claim they do what they do to protect us, the only people they're actually interested in protecting is themselves.

I'm not sure I disagree (or agree), but who are the ruling class? Are there any fact and figures about them? How do we substantiate our opinion that the only people they are interested in protecting, is themselves?

[amateur51]

Yes, the implication being there that the QC just might to be up to some skulduggery because he was defending the anti-government defendant. And even if he wasn't up to skulduggery, they wanted to know what it was he was up to, presumably to outmanoeuvre him.

Ponting in a similar position to Snowden, having signed the Official Secrets Act and spurred on to expose government wrongdoing.

We should remember tho that this is a case of the state undermining the defender of a citizen with a legitimate gripe.

As I understand it (and I could be wrong :winkeye:) we are ALL subject to The Official Secrets Act but civil servants and others are required to sign that they have been made aware of its provisions as they impact on their work. :erm:

[amateur51]

And how would that work, in practical terms? Do please enlighten us.....:laugh::laugh:

In the same way as it works still for Patrick Barnabas Burke Mayhew, Baron Mayhew of Twysden, PC - use your imagination, man :yikes: ... oh sorry, category error :winkeye:

[amateur51]

I believe the point is to emphasise that while the ruling class claim they do what they do to protect us, the only people they're actually interested in protecting is themselves.

And while I'm here: do you think that the PRISM programme began immediately after the murder in Woolwich, or that said programme was in place but failed to prevent it?

:ok::smiley:

[amateur51]

I'm not sure I disagree (or agree), but who are the ruling class? Are there any fact and figures about them? How do we substantiate our opinion that the only people they are interested in protecting, is themselves?

Gunner Rigby would be a good start, I would have thought. Definitely not one of the ruling elite.

The names of the former Secretaries of State for Northern Ireland, Foreign Secretaries, Home SecretariesPrime Ministers, and their opposition shadows, etc who have been murdered by 'terrorists' would serve us well too.

[Beef Oven]

Gunner Rigby would be a good start, I would have thought. Definitely not one of the ruling elite.

The names of the former Secretaries of State for Northern Ireland, Foreign Secretaries, Home SecretariesPrime Ministers, and their opposition shadows, etc who have been murdered by 'terrorists' would serve us well too.

That's not quite what I meant. Without more to substantiate the idea, it remains no more than an opinion, or possibly a pre-judgement of things.

[amateur51]

That's not quite what I meant. Without more to substantiate the idea, it remains no more than an opinion, or possibly a pre-judgement of things.

Well in the absence from you of any useful guidelines, I stand by my initial offering.

[Beef Oven]

Well in the absence from you of any useful guidelines, I stand by my initial offering.

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow?

[amateur51]

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow?

I've given you a list of members of the elite and one example of the non-elite - it is now for you, if you so wish, to pick holes in it, support it, extend it, whatever.

Wha'ever :winkeye: