Privacy and the State

[MrGongGong]

But, as I also said, the quid pro quo for moving the board away from the view of other members who found the wrangling annoying was that people should be left to express themselves freely here.
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I also thought that this was why the "basement" was created ..........
unlike some other departed "friends" Scotty has had a sense of humour
who is going to be the dictionary monitor now ?

[amateur51]

Not a good weekend for the American President and the British Prime Minister ...

(1) Writing in Der Spiegel, more than 50 high-profile Germans add to increasing calls for Berlin to welcome NSA whistleblower

Heiner Geissler, the former general secretary of Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, says in the appeal: "Snowden has done the western world a great service. It is now up to us to help him."

The writer and public intellectual Hans Magnus Enzensberger argues in his contribution that "the American dream is turning into a nightmare" and suggests that Norway would be best placed to offer Snowden refuge, given its track record of offering political asylum to Leon Trotsky in 1935. He bemoans the fact that in Britain, "which has become a US colony", Snowden is regarded as a traitor.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/germany-edward-snowden-asylum

(2) On another front, Germany and Brazil have presented a draft resolution to a UN general assembly committee that calls for an end to excessive electronic surveillance, data collection and other gross invasions of privacy.

The draft resolution, which both Germany and Brazil made public on Friday, does not name any specific countries, although UN diplomats said it was clearly aimed at the US, which has been embarrassed by revelations of a massive international surveillance programme from a former US contractor.

Is it entirely coincidental, I wonder, that both the Brazilian president and the German Chancellor are women?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/02/nsa-germany-brazil-un-resolution

(3) And then ... Seventy of the world's leading human rights organisations have written to David Cameron to warn that the government's reaction to the mass surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden is leading to an erosion of fundamental rights and freedoms in the UK.

The coalition, which includes organisations from 40 countries, said it had become increasingly alarmed at the way the UK government has applied pressure on media groups covering the leaks and its use of national security concerns to close down important public interest debates.

"We have joined together as an international coalition because we believe that the United Kingdom government's response to the revelations of mass surveillance of digital communications is eroding fundamental human rights in the country," the letter states. "The government's response has been to condemn, rather than celebrate investigative journalism, which plays a crucial role in a healthy democratic society."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/uk-reaction-nsa-leaks-human-rights

Blimey!

[Mr Pee]

Not a good weekend for the American President and the British Prime Minister ...

(1) Writing in Der Spiegel, more than 50 high-profile Germans add to increasing calls for Berlin to welcome NSA whistleblower

Heiner Geissler, the former general secretary of Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, says in the appeal: "Snowden has done the western world a great service. It is now up to us to help him."

The writer and public intellectual Hans Magnus Enzensberger argues in his contribution that "the American dream is turning into a nightmare" and suggests that Norway would be best placed to offer Snowden refuge, given its track record of offering political asylum to Leon Trotsky in 1935. He bemoans the fact that in Britain, "which has become a US colony", Snowden is regarded as a traitor.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/germany-edward-snowden-asylum

(2) On another front, Germany and Brazil have presented a draft resolution to a UN general assembly committee that calls for an end to excessive electronic surveillance, data collection and other gross invasions of privacy.

The draft resolution, which both Germany and Brazil made public on Friday, does not name any specific countries, although UN diplomats said it was clearly aimed at the US, which has been embarrassed by revelations of a massive international surveillance programme from a former US contractor.

Is it entirely coincidental, I wonder, that both the Brazilian president and the German Chancellor are women?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/02/nsa-germany-brazil-un-resolution

(3) And then ... Seventy of the world's leading human rights organisations have written to David Cameron to warn that the government's reaction to the mass surveillance revealed by Edward Snowden is leading to an erosion of fundamental rights and freedoms in the UK.

The coalition, which includes organisations from 40 countries, said it had become increasingly alarmed at the way the UK government has applied pressure on media groups covering the leaks and its use of national security concerns to close down important public interest debates.

"We have joined together as an international coalition because we believe that the United Kingdom government's response to the revelations of mass surveillance of digital communications is eroding fundamental human rights in the country," the letter states. "The government's response has been to condemn, rather than celebrate investigative journalism, which plays a crucial role in a healthy democratic society."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/03/uk-reaction-nsa-leaks-human-rights

Blimey!

All from the Guardian. What a surprise. Nary a mention of any of this guff elsewhere.

Doesn't that "news" paper have anything else to report on, or does it have nothing better to do than big up its own shoddy journalism?

[amateur51]

All from the Guardian. What a surprise. Nary a mention of any of this guff elsewhere.

Doesn't that "news" paper have anything else to report on, or does it have nothing better to do than big up its own shoddy journalism?

Any comments on the content?

[MrGongGong]

Any comments on the content?

Don't be daft, it's all lefty nonsense innit , there's no content just marxist anger trying to overthrow civilisation ;-)

[french frank]

All from the Guardian.

That's partly a result of industry 'news management': newspapers like to corner their own bit of the market: The Guardian has Snowden and the NSA surveillance story, another will have 'Now look what the EU has done', another will be on benefit scroungers and immigration. They follow up the stories that will appeal to their readership.

The FT had its angle on the story too. And here.

[amateur51]

That's partly a result of industry 'news management': newspapers like to corner their own bit of the market: The Guardian has Snowden and the NSA surveillance story, another will have 'Now look what the EU has done', another will be on benefit scroungers and immigration. They follow up the stories that will appeal to their readership.

The FT had its angle on the story too. And here.

I defer to french frank's 'news maagement'knowledge here but I'd also point out that The Guardian has stuck its neck out to cover the Snowden/NSA/GCHQ story and this it is not surprising that it is keen to break these new aspects of the developing story.

I could not read the FT links without having to sign up for something which I was reluctant to do.

[Mr Pee]

Any comments on the content?

I have better things to do than waste my time on it.

[MrGongGong]

I have better things to do than waste my time on it.

aaaaha it's the Prof Says Stockhausen syndrome ......... I failed my O level mind reading :sob:

[french frank]

but I'd also point out that The Guardian has stuck its neck out to cover the Snowden/NSA/GCHQ story and this it is not surprising that it is keen to break these new aspects of the developing story.

Indeed, that was my point about them following up a particular 'story' - it's both its own territory and that of its readers. (I should have said that another popular current theme is 'Get Ed' - not in The Guardian!)

[french frank]

It costs nothing to register for the FT and its the only one I have bothered with.
Headlines were:

Spying: Too much information

By Richard McGregor and Geoff Dyer
Revelations US tapped Merkel’s phone cement idea of an intelligence colossus out of control

and

Edward Snowden has done us all a favour – even Barack Obama

Edward Luce By Edward Luce
For a whole generation, the US is coming to stand for Big Brother

[amateur51]

I have better things to do than waste my time on it.

I'm grateful that you wasted your time on msg #1353 then.

[amateur51]

It costs nothing to register for the FT and its the only one I have bothered with.
Headlines were:

Spying: Too much information

By Richard McGregor and Geoff Dyer
Revelations US tapped Merkel’s phone cement idea of an intelligence colossus out of control

and

Edward Snowden has done us all a favour – even Barack Obama

Edward Luce By Edward Luce
For a whole generation, the US is coming to stand for Big Brother

I registered months ago and was perplexed at being asked to do so again. Can't these people run a decent monitoring operation? :laugh:

[An_Inspector_Calls]

Before I close scotty's account I would simply point out that what I said was that I did not think he was '100% respectful'. That would apply to a number of people on these boards. As far as I remember what I said to you 'in confidence', scotty, it was that I did sympathise with you over the constant attacks on your religious views and faith. I'm happy to repeat that. But, as I also said, the quid pro quo for moving the board away from the view of other members who found the wrangling annoying was that people should be left to express themselves freely here.

I disagree with your views on feminism and equality but respect your right to express them: I don't see that expressing my opinion of your views amounts to 'criticism'.

But if you've finally decided you've had enough, I won't seek this time to dissuade you.

Brings a whole new meaning to the term 'the perfect host'.

[Mr Pee]

I'm grateful that you wasted your time on msg #1353 then.

Well, indeed. Why should I waste my time reading The Guardian when their very own Radio3 forum correspondent keeps us continually updated on the latest edition?

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