Privacy and the State

[amateur51]

:laugh: Silly sausage! Of course it aint my business!!! I haven't interfered with anybody. Live and let live, me :laugh:

Aint there anyone else that you can wind up in here? Shall we get Mandy back for ya? :laugh:

I was just offering the alternative perspective.

[amateur51]

An entertaining and pertinent passage from yesterday's House of Commons debate:

http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/

[An_Inspector_Calls]

TWIMC: This is a serious subject. Please don't reduce it to levity and abuse. Thank you.

(One post which was deleted has, on second thoughts, been undeleted since on the whole it enables others to judge the quality of arguments ... Whereas abuse weakens arguments, joking is simply annoying.)

Agreed. Message #101 was deeply insulting.

[ahinton]

Agreed. Message #101 was deeply insulting.

In it, Richard Barrett wrote
"What problems are solved by adding to the violence in the world?"
If that is "deeply insulting" to anyone, I have less than no comprehension of what constitutes an insult.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

hmmm but perhaps this bit of the message was insulting?

Your view of humanity is so impoverished it's unbelievable.

[ahinton]

hmmm but perhaps this bit of the message was insulting?

According to A_I_C, perhaps - though given that it seems (to me, at least) to be a perfectly reasonable response to the manifestation of an attitude of mind that displays such an apparent lack of concern about increasing international violence, I doubt that it would seem so to most of the rest of us, frankly.

Anyway, the thread seems to have become hooked up on details that are arguably not entirely germane to the issue of privacy and the state and the relationships of states with their citizens.

[Boilk]

William Hague's evasive non-denial picked apart

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/10/william-hague-spying-scandal-nsa-statement

Mind you, would it have sounded much different during Jack Straw's tenure?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

good question Boik, it might well have sounded marginally worse ...

[vinteuil]

I see in next week's Radio Times a programme that may be of interest:

Saturday 15 June
Radio 4
10:15pm
Unreliable Evidence
Spying and Surveillance
"Clive Anderson and guests discuss how the law balances the individual's right to privacy. They consider the benefits and drawbacks of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000, which restricts covert information-gathering; and the so-called snooper's charter - proposed legislation that would make it possible to track anyone's e-mail, internet, and mobile text usage."

[amateur51]

I see in next week's Radio Times a programme that may be of interest:

Saturday 15 June
Radio 4
10:15pm
Unreliable Evidence
Spying and Surveillance
"Clive Anderson and guests discusses how the law balances the individual's right to privacy. They consider the benefits and drawbacks of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000, which restricts covert information-gathering; and the so-called snooper's charter - propsed legislation that would make it possible to track anyone's email, internet, and mobile text usage."

Many thanks vints, but given the time it's going out, I guess I'll be using i-Player :ok:

[ahinton]

I see in next week's Radio Times a programme that may be of interest:

Saturday 15 June
Radio 4
10:15pm
Unreliable Evidence
Spying and Surveillance
"Clive Anderson and guests discuss how the law balances the individual's right to privacy. They consider the benefits and drawbacks of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000, which restricts covert information-gathering; and the so-called snooper's charter - proposed legislation that would make it possible to track anyone's e-mail, internet, and mobile text usage."

Thanks for drawing attention to this. How successful it will be remains to be heard, of course, but it's worth remembering that this subject, whilst very much more in focus at present, has already been on the cards as potential new legislation in UK for quite some time.

[french frank]

I see in next week's Radio Times a programme that may be of interest:

Saturday 15 June
Radio 4
10:15pm
Unreliable Evidence
Spying and Surveillance
"Clive Anderson and guests discuss how the law balances the individual's right to privacy. They consider the benefits and drawbacks of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) 2000, which restricts covert information-gathering; and the so-called snooper's charter - proposed legislation that would make it possible to track anyone's e-mail, internet, and mobile text usage."

And presumably the extent to which the law (judiciary) has been largely absent when it came to making judgements.

[vinteuil]

Many thanks vints, but given the time it's going out, I guess I'll be using i-Player :ok:

... looking again, I see the Sat 15 June broadcast is a repeat of the programme going out tomorrow Wednesday 12 June at 8pm.

So perhaps Amateur won't need to fire up his trusty i-player...

[Mr Pee]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/10114159/Keir-Starmer-terrorists-could-escape-prosecution-without-snoopers-charter.html

[amateur51]

... looking again, I see the Sat 15 June broadcast is a repeat of the programme going out tomorrow Wednesday 12 June at 8pm.

So perhaps Amateur won't need to fire up his trusty i-player...

Many thanks, vints :ok: