Privacy and the State

[Frances_iom]

I hope that Bradley Manning gets some expert support and help while he explores his personal identity issues.

actually he will be lucky to survive long in the US jail - known to be gay he will be cast to the wolves and having released the video showing US troops on a killing spree along with all the other material will not endear him to the military - his treatment pre trial shows that the US is a total hypocrite in its behaviour over human rights - tho at least he had to have a public trial which is more that the Israeli whistleblower who confirmed the Isreali bomb ever got

[Mr Pee]

Bradley Manning has been sentenced to 35 years in the Wikileaks case

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23784288

Although far less than the 60 years that the prosecution was seeking, this is surely a completely over-the-top sentence.

I hope that Bradley Manning gets some expert support and help while he explores his personal identity issues.

35 years is about right. If anything he's got off lightly. And I am sure Am51 will be pleased that he now has plenty of time to sort out his "personal identity issues", whatever the hell they are.

I hope Edward Snowden has taken note.

[amateur51]

35 years is about right. If anything he's got off lightly. And I am sure Am51 will be pleased that he now has plenty of time to sort out his "personal identity issues", whatever the hell they are.

I hope Edward Snowden has taken note.

You really are all heart aren't you, Mr Pee?

Heaven help the future of the Chichester Theatre if you're involved in anything more creative than an ice-lolly stock-take :yikes:

Do a google check if you're really interested.

[Mr Pee]

Do a google check if you're really interested.

Can't be bothered. He's history now and will soon be forgotten.

[amateur51]

Can't be bothered. He's history now and will soon be forgotten.

Looks as tho' I was right about the ice lolly stock-take then :winkeye:

[teamsaint]

Looks as tho' I was right about the ice lolly stock-take then :winkeye:

if he is history, surely he won't be forgotten. Isn't that the point of history?

[Mr Pee]

if he is history, surely he won't be forgotten. Isn't that the point of history?

Sorry, I meant he's history in the sense that he is yesterday's news and tomorrow's fish and chip wrapper. He's not important enough to be history history.

[french frank]

35 years is about right. If anything he's got off lightly. And I am sure Am51 will be pleased that he now has plenty of time to sort out his "personal identity issues", whatever the hell they are.

I hope Edward Snowden has taken note.

Manning seems to bearing up very well, and will be eligible for parole after about seven years. Though you might think 35 years a little severe, compared with the sentence of Marine Sgt Lonetree: "Lonetree, the only marine to have ever been convicted of espionage, was sentenced to 30 years in prison for providing the Soviet KGB with the identities of CIA agents in the 1980s. Lonetree had also handed over the floor plans of US embassies in Moscow and Vienna. His sentence was reduced to 15 years when the secretary of the navy found that the effect of his actions "was minimal". He was released after serving nine."

[teamsaint]

Sorry, I meant he's history in the sense that he is yesterday's news and tomorrow's fish and chip wrapper. He's not important enough to be history history.

ah right , so he is history, but not History History.

Well that is his story, and i imagine he will stick to it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Richard Barrett]

he is history, but not History History.

I wouldn't have thought there are any grounds for asserting that his name will be immediately forgotten. My feeling is that the issues brought up by his disclosures (and those of Snowden and whoever is brave enough to follow these two) won't go away; and I'm sure that when he's released he will be given a hero's welcome by very many people.

[Mr Pee]

I wouldn't have thought there are any grounds for asserting that his name will be immediately forgotten. My feeling is that the issues brought up by his disclosures (and those of Snowden and whoever is brave enough to follow these two) won't go away; and I'm sure that when he's released he will be given a hero's welcome by very many people.

We shall see. Whether he's released in 8 years or 35 years, I am sure that in that time the world will have moved on, and far more important matters will have occurred than one dysfunctional individual's moment of madness; and Manning will be rightly consigned to the "where are they now" column, if anyone still cares.

[ahinton]

We shall see. Whether he's released in 8 years or 35 years, I am sure that in that time the world will have moved on, and far more important matters will have occurred than one dysfunctional individual's moment of madness; and Manning will be rightly consigned to the "where are they now" column, if anyone still cares.

We shall inded see but it's just as likely (if not more so) that the climate pertaining when he is released will be far fuller of the same kind of thing than it is now; in other words, there may be hundreds of Mannings in various states of trial, imprisonment, embassy protection and whatever else. Manning might only be "forgotten" by the time his sentence ends to the extent that his name might have become just one of many tens of thousands of similar cases.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Whether he's released in 8 years or 35 years, I am sure that in that time the world will have moved on, and far more important matters will have occurred than one dysfunctional individual's moment of madness;

So you believe that a 35-year prison sentence is "if anything [getting] off lightly" for "one dysfunctional individual's moment of madness"?

[amateur51]

We shall see. Whether he's released in 8 years or 35 years, I am sure that in that time the world will have moved on, and far more important matters will have occurred than one dysfunctional individual's moment of madness; and Manning will be rightly consigned to the "where are they now" column, if anyone still cares.

Like Guy Fawkes, you mean?

[Mr Pee]

Like Guy Fawkes, you mean?

No, nothing like Guy Fawkes. Have you been at the sherry again?