Tory plans to limit access to your GP

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

You really must get up to date re. obesity, Sir Velo. A strong genetic predisposition has recently been established, and several errant genes identified. I would not be at all surprised to hear that a similar genetic link applies re. type 2 diabetes.

Obesity exists for a number of reasons, but environmental/lifestyle factors are among the biggest. I'm a northerner, so I can say it - go to King's Cross Station on a Saturday evening and take a look at the queue for the train to Leeds. Compare and contrast the waistlines of the average waiting passenger with those you have seen in the streets of London during the day.

[Beef Oven]

I'm a northerner, so I can say it.

Can I stereotype and make gross generalisations about interracial marriage etc because Mrs Oven isn't white?

[amateur51]

That's not a very nice post. You have a nasty side to you, don't you?

Perhaps you bring it out in me, Beefy - it takes two to tango as you know from your TA 101 :winkeye:

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

FFS how do we stop these dangerous cretins from ruining more lives in the cause of propping up their mates?

Probably ineffective (as most of these things are) but there is a way at least of publicly registering our protest for those of us who live more by optimism than by experience:

https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/dont-cap-GP-visits#petition

[Beef Oven]

Perhaps you bring it out in me, Beefy - it takes two to tango as you know from your TA 101 :winkeye:

So long as you acknowledge it's there in you in the first place to be brought out. :ok:

[amateur51]

You really must get up to date re. obesity, Sir Velo. A strong genetic predisposition has recently been established, and several errant genes identified. I would not be at all surprised to hear that a similar genetic link applies re. type 2 diabetes.

See, for instance, http://sciencenordic.com/seven-new-g...ity-identified

And this today ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22699326

[amateur51]

So long as you acknowledge it's there in you in the first place to be brought out. :ok:

And you take responsibility for not complaining when you bring it out, now that you know it's there :winkeye:

[Beef Oven]

And you take responsibility for not complaining when you bring it out, now that you know it's there :winkeye:

I won't complain any further, now that you've come out about the nasty streak in you. :ok:

[Sir Velo]

You really must get up to date re. obesity, Sir Velo. A strong genetic predisposition has recently been established, and several errant genes identified. I would not be at all surprised to hear that a similar genetic link applies re. type 2 diabetes.

See, for instance, http://sciencenordic.com/seven-new-g...ity-identified

Thanks for the advice Bryn. Well, one can always find a medical study which supports a particular POV, can't one?

What exactly is a "genetic predisposition"? Presumably it occurs because individuals have been brought up in family environments where unhealthy,fatty foods are the norm. When I hear from obesity "sufferers" who wail about "slow metabolisms" I always say "Aren't you lucky not to need so much food? That must save you a lot of cash."

Advice to those with "a strong genetic predisposition" to obesity: adjust your eating habits accordingly in order that calorie intake matches calorie output. Measure your food intake until you get the balance right. It used to be called self control or self denial. Not a popular message these days it seems where everything is someone else's fault and not the individual's responsibility. :sadface:

[amateur51]

I won't complain any further, now that you've come out about the nasty streak in you. :ok:

A case history before your very eyes! Stop picking the scab and the thing will heal.

[Pabmusic]

...What exactly is a "genetic predisposition"? Presumably it occurs because individuals have been brought up in family environments where unhealthy,fatty foods are the norm. When I hear from obesity "sufferers" who wail about "slow metabolisms" I always say "Aren't you lucky not to need so much food? That must save you a lot of cash."...

There's a strong disposition to over-complicate things. Humans have evolved to lay down fat and to give it up unwillingly. For all that we have had a mild(ish) climate for 10,000 years, we lived through much worse in the previous 125,000 years, and it is thought that the world population fell to about 10,000 as recently as 70,000 years ago, following volcanic eruptions in SE Asia (as it is now). It is no wonder that we have evolved to store calories and to have little inkling that we're 'overdoing it'.

Forget individual 'genetic predispositions' - we all have it.

[amateur51]

Thanks for the advice Bryn. Well, one can always find a medical study which supports a particular POV, can't one?

What exactly is a "genetic predisposition"? Presumably it occurs because individuals have been brought up in family environments where unhealthy,fatty foods are the norm. When I hear from obesity "sufferers" who wail about "slow metabolisms" I always say "Aren't you lucky not to need so much food? That must save you a lot of cash."

Advice to those with "a strong genetic predisposition" to obesity: adjust your eating habits accordingly in order that calorie intake matches calorie output. Measure your food intake until you get the balance right. It used to be called self control or self denial. Not a popular message these days it seems where everything is someone else's fault and not the individual's responsibility. :sadface:

Are there genetic markers for smugness, I wonder?

[MrGongGong]

Are there genetic markers for smugness, I wonder?

:laugh:

If there are, does one need to "come out" about them ?

[teamsaint]

So, back to the people who want to grab the NHS for private medical companies...
This is a simple issue.

any attempt to charge for or limit access to services should be opposed completely.
It is our service, we pay for it. privatisation is not necessary, we can afford universal care.

Follow the money if you want to find the "need" for change.

And overweight people had to pay tax last I heard.

[teamsaint]

:laugh:

If there are, does one need to "come out" about them ?

I blame smugglers.