Are we safe? Suspected terrorist attack in London this afternoon

[Beef Oven]

Did the murderers mention anything about the tens of thousands of Muslims killed by other Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq during the last 20 years? Or are those statistics not part of their Islamic education/conversion?

Don't be silly, this is 'Radio3Forumland'. Ideas like that are anathema :laugh:

Get off this one-way street before you get run down by the rest of 'em :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[amateur51]

Did the murderers mention anything about the tens of thousands of Muslims killed by other Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq during the last 20 years? Or are those statistics not part of their Islamic education/conversion?

I understand the point you're making John Wright and I think it should be made forcefully to Muslim nations whose citizens have attacked UK and other non-Muslim countries for the reasons that Lee Rigby's murderers mentioned.

But my point is that killing civilians by drone attacks, as well as perhaps killing the intended Muslim target, may also kill innocent Muslim civilians. And this will lead to further radicalisation of Muslims prepared to kill British military personnel and UK citizens.

[Beef Oven]

I understand the point you're making John Wright and I think it should be made forcefully to Muslim nations whose citizens have attacked UK and other non-Muslim countries for the reasons that Lee Rigby's murderers mentioned.

But my point is that killing civilians by drone attacks, as well as perhaps killing the intended Muslim target, may also kill innocent Muslim civilians. And this will lead to further radicalisation of Muslims prepared to kill British military personnel and UK citizens.

So your concern is about the threat to military personnel and Uk citizens? Maybe I got you wrong :laugh:

[Flosshilde]

Don't be silly, this is 'Radio3Forumland'. Ideas like that are anathema :laugh:

Get off this one-way street before you get run down by the rest of 'em :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Why don't you grow up; & while you're doing it, give us all a break from your purile damp squibs.

[Mr Pee]

I understand the point you're making John Wright and I think it should be made forcefully to Muslim nations whose citizens have attacked UK and other non-Muslim countries for the reasons that Lee Rigby's murderers mentioned.

But my point is that killing civilians by drone attacks, as well as perhaps killing the intended Muslim target, may also kill innocent Muslim civilians. And this will lead to further radicalisation of Muslims prepared to kill British military personnel and UK citizens.

It still sounds as though you are making excuses for them. And there were no drone attacks prior to 9/11. So what was the justification for that? :erm:

[teamsaint]

Surely, surely, the point about this is that there are two sides. There is a side that wants peace, to get on with living , working, creating. This side comprises most normal people of all ,and no faith, the world over.

there is another side that wants division, violence, and fear. On this side are governments both western and middle eastern, arms manufacturers and their bankers, probably some power hungry religious fundamentalist empire builders, far too many in the various security services and so on. There aren't many of these people , but sadly there are enough.
The lessons of history are there to learn. Ireland should be at the forefront of our thinking in this country.

[MrGongGong]

It still sounds as though you are making excuses for them. And there were no drone attacks prior to 9/11. So what was the justification for that? :erm:

Let me help you a bit

Cause

noun
1a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition:
the cause of the accident is not clear
[mass noun] reasonable grounds for doing, thinking, or feeling something:
Faye’s condition had given no cause for concern
[count noun]:
class size is a cause for complaint in some schools
2a principle, aim, or movement to which one is committed and which one is prepared to defend or advocate:
she devoted her whole adult life to the cause of deaf people
I’m raising money for good causes
3a matter to be resolved in a court of law:
forty-five causes were entered in the list for the March session
an individual’s case offered at law:
the rule that no man should be a judge in his own cause

Reason
noun
1a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event:
she asked him to return, but didn’t give a reason
I resigned for personal reasons
[with clause]:
Giles is the reason that I am here
[mass noun] good or obvious cause to do something:
we have reason to celebrate
Logic a premise of an argument in support of a belief, especially a minor premise when given after the conclusion.

Excuse
verb
Pronunciation: /ɪkˈskjuːz, ɛk-/
[with object]
1seek to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offence); try to justify:
he did nothing to hide or excuse Jacob’s cruelty
forgive (someone) for a fault or offence:
you must excuse my brother
he could be excused for feeling that he was born at the wrong time
overlook or make allowances for:
sit down—excuse the mess
(of a fact) serve to mitigate (a person or act):
his ability excuses most of his faults


Look, these three words have DIFFERENT meanings

[Flosshilde]

It still sounds as though you are making excuses for them. And there were no drone attacks prior to 9/11. So what was the justification for that? :erm:

Wasn't it the presence of USA bases in Saudi Arabia?

[amateur51]

It still sounds as though you are making excuses for them. And there were no drone attacks prior to 9/11. So what was the justification for that? :erm:

I can only tell you what I've told you Mr Pee. Your need to distort that is your problem.

The presence of American bases in numerous Muslim countries (such as Saudi Arabia) was at the root, I understand.

Note 'I understand' and please stop second-guessing my motives. It's unnecessary and you're not good at it.

Later: Sorry Flossie & MrGG - your excellent posts pre-empted my reply.