Teachers: Are Gove and Cameron listening?

[VodkaDilc]

I found myself agreeing with everything Peter Wilby wrote. I thought this bit, towards the end, summed it all up:

Gove alone can look forward to completing his project by the election, largely because he ignores almost all advice from professionals.

As I have remarked many times, I am relieved that my days in the classroom were completed before the present lot started meddling.

[Resurrection Man]

Successive governments ignore real research which is what frustrates so many people who REALLY know about education
but (as with what folks often say about music education :sadface:)
two anecdotes = data

the other kind of data is on Star Trek

I agree

School should NOT be a preparation for work .......... (ask Ken he really DOES know about this stuff )

For life, perhaps....life skills etc? Who is Ken? Barlow? Livingstone? Clarke?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

As I have remarked many times, I am relieved that my days in the classroom were completed before the present lot started meddling.

Similarly, I'm pleased to be relatively late in my career, with the option of retiring when I choose. I really feel for younger teachers.

[MrGongGong]

For life, perhaps....life skills etc? Who is Ken? Barlow? Livingstone? Clarke?

Robinson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

[teamsaint]

I think it is a mistake to think that the ambitions of this (or any other government)is to produce well educated and informed kids.

If they did, they would make sure it happened. It can be done.
They do it for their own.
These things do not happen by chance. People like Gove, chris woodhead are appointed. Its not just bad luck.

Producing worker ants, thoroughly indebted before the age of 21, who spend every last penny on disposable, polluting junk suits them just fine.

Vote for Ken. if only he would stand for election.

[MrGongGong]

Vote for Ken. if only he would stand for election.

:ok::ok::ok::ok:

[teamsaint]

Sorry about the rant.
But it makes me mad.(don't say it.....!!)

[MrGongGong]

Sorry about the rant.
But it makes me mad.(don't say it.....!!)

No problem with me , it makes my blood boil also

Would you eat at a restaurant where all the staff go and eat elsewhere and wouldn't even drink the coffee ?

[teamsaint]

No problem with me , it makes my blood boil also

Would you eat at a restaurant where all the staff go and eat elsewhere and wouldn't even drink the coffee ?

well quite.
Incidentally, I did go off one national restaurant chain, one which sells Japanese food, when I discovered that the guy who was labouring when I had some work done on my house, had given up his assistant chef job there to do labouring !:yikes:

[MrGongGong]

well quite.
Incidentally, I did go off one national restaurant chain, one which sells Japanese food, when I discovered that the guy who was labouring when I had some work done on my house, had given up his assistant chef job there to do labouring !:yikes:

I think I know which one you mean :winkeye:
One of my Japanese friends wont go there as she says the noodles are spaghetti and not real noodles ........

[teamsaint]

I think I know which one you mean :winkeye:
One of my Japanese friends wont go there as she says the noodles are spaghetti and not real noodles ........

I never said noodles...(you never know who is reading this stuff)...might have been noodles....might not..
I would like to try some of the places in this film though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XyoAZFREnY

[teamsaint]

I think I know which one you mean :winkeye:
One of my Japanese friends wont go there as she says the noodles are spaghetti and not real noodles ........

I never said noodles...(you never know who is reading this stuff)...might have been noodles....might not..
I would like to try some of the places in this film though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XyoAZFREnY

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

well quite.
Incidentally, I did go off one national restaurant chain, one which sells Japanese food, when I discovered that the guy who was labouring when I had some work done on my house, had given up his assistant chef job there to do labouring !:yikes:

Just doing wok experience?


And schools are not just a preparation for life: they are a part of life - 11 years of it at a minimum, which is a sizeable chunk of one's lifetime. That so many people leave believing that it was a waste of so great a part of their lives is what makes me despair. Goves' "ideas" seem guaranteed to exacerbate this sense of futility and the resentment it engenders.

[teamsaint]

Just doing wok experience?


And schools are not just a preparation for life: they are a part of life - 11 years of it at a minimum, which is a sizeable chunk of one's lifetime. That so many people leave believing that it was a waste of so great a part of their lives is what makes me despair. Goves' "ideas" seem guaranteed to exacerbate this sense of futility and the resentment it engenders.

:laugh:

I agree with you absolutely, Ferney. I am just so dispirited when I see what 11 or 13 years of full time education is tending to do. At one end 20% still functionally illiterate at 16, at the other end kids trained to obtain A* grades to the exclusion of most other things, and a huge array of talents just hurled onto the heap incorrectly marked "no use in the work place", as people like Ken Robinson know so much better than I do.
I want to see kids exploring the world, full of wonder, developing their talents, trying things without worrying about failure , making things, hearing things, watching. I don't want to see them using their mobiles, I want to see them looking an awe at the miraculous (to me) processes that create those mobiles.
i want them listening to the sounds that excite them, doing sport and physical activity because they want to, and in a way that literally gets them going. I want them to gaze at the New Severn Bridge (or whatever) in astonishment, and to ask how it was done, or at the liners in Southampton and to gasp at their complexity, and to want to learn about how they work
I want them to love books like "Holes", not be hung up on apostrophes and the next key stage grading.
I could go on for a long time.We all could.

[Resurrection Man]

I agree with you, ts. But apostrophes are still important.