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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
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    • Nov 2010
    • 20569

    #76
    Enough academies have had problems with head teachers making foolish decisions and finding there is no longer the support of the LEA that they so hastily abandoned. Looking for help from the Secretary of State isn't going to be much use.

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
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      • Nov 2010
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      #77
      Have you noticed those clones (aka "spokesmen") from the DFE who spout Goveish, attempting to put a positive spin on Academies?

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      • DracoM
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        • Mar 2007
        • 12956

        #78
        Deep scepticism towards government policies, even in academies and free schools seen by ministers as template for future


        Anyone but Gove might be worried -for example parents?

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20569

          #79
          Originally posted by DracoM View Post
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...eachers-morale

          Anyone but Gove might be worried -for example parents?
          Gove is allowed to get away with his utter drivel because Cameron backs him and Clegg just echoes him. However, Ed Milliband does far too little to challenge the educational suicide being implemented at such relentless speed.

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          • ahinton
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            • Nov 2010
            • 16122

            #80
            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            Gove is allowed to get away with his utter drivel because Cameron backs him and Clegg just echoes him. However, Ed Milliband does far too little to challenge the educational suicide being implemented at such relentless speed.
            Gove? Cameron? Miliband? Clegg? Miliclegg? Camerbund? Clove? Glug? - ee an' Drunken Pickles? Come on! - it's not just education that going down the suicidal tubes, is it?! "Relentless speed"? - = flight? - = oh for the wings of a Gove? Boris Airport? HS2? One size Benny Fits all? Never mind all that; since Hector Sants, ex-CEO of ex-FSA has been granted a knighthood, one can only conclude that, if it's good enough for him to be be(k)nighted, it's bad enough for any of the rest of them, surely?...

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            • eighthobstruction
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              • Nov 2010
              • 6426

              #81
              Yes, very sad.... and as you say a coherent Labour Party response completely invisible....one wonders those how trhe LP can get a soapbox on this. What forum can they use?? It seems they can only vie for column inches whenever Gove releases a new departure.
              bong ching

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              • Serial_Apologist
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                • Dec 2010
                • 37562

                #82
                Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                Yes, very sad.... and as you say a coherent Labour Party response completely invisible....one wonders those how trhe LP can get a soapbox on this. What forum can they use?? It seems they can only vie for column inches whenever Gove releases a new departure.
                Do Millipede et al really want one? According to a BBC 1 news reporter - and they should know! - the Labour Party are not in the slightest bit interested in being on-side with ss benefit recipients, so why should they be overly concerned with educational prospects for so many destined for the unemployment heap?

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20569

                  #83
                  Govey wants to bring back A-levels of a bygone era. Whilst being uneasy about the current system, the Tories continue to make the mistake of not talking to, or listening to those who are actually involved in education.
                  Apart from has-beens like the left-under-a-cloud Chris Woodhead.

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                  • MrGongGong
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    Govey wants to bring back A-levels of a bygone era. Whilst being uneasy about the current system, the Tories continue to make the mistake of not talking to, or listening to those who are actually involved in education.
                    Apart from has-beens like the left-under-a-cloud Chris Woodhead.
                    I think there's no alternative but to refuse to go along with their ridiculous ill thought out schemes
                    they don't even send their own children to state schools (which surely should be compulsory given what their jobs are ?)

                    Bring back Ken Robinson

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                    • Bryn
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 24688

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      ... the left-under-a-cloud Chris Woodhead.
                      A prime example of repeated 'kicking upstairs' to get him away from roles he had shown himself totally inadequate to fulfill, I am advised by some of those who worked along side him during his teaching career. I'm sure we have all come across such folk. I know I have.

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20569

                        #86
                        Yes, but much of Tory education unplan is the result of Woodhead's misguided theories. Free schools for a start.

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                        • teamsaint
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25190

                          #87
                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          I think there's no alternative but to refuse to go along with their ridiculous ill thought out schemes
                          they don't even send their own children to state schools (which surely should be compulsory given what their jobs are ?)

                          Bring back Ken Robinson
                          back? from America?
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • amateur51

                            #88
                            Peter Wilby in The Guardian skewers The Times' former News Editor ...

                            Peter Wilby: The education secretary, an ex-journalist, knows how to sell reforms for the rightwing press. But it's no way to run our schools

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                            • Resurrection Man

                              #89
                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              Peter Wilby in The Guardian skewers The Times' former News Editor ...

                              http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ader-education
                              I dipped into that article, ams, out of interest. Taking a paragraph at random, I'd be interested on your take..as follows. My comments in bold.

                              From the 1960s, A-levels were widely recognised as the biggest defect by whom? of English education, giving teenagers the most narrow and specialised curriculum in Europe evidence?.

                              They required 16-year-olds to opt for sciences or arts: typically maths, physics and chemistry; or English, history and French. True...I was in the science stream but flunked maths which then forced me into the biological sciences. Most others were fine. Only a small minority mixed subjects across the two cultures.

                              The result was that too many scientists and engineers lacked communication skills evidence? who says?, while too many arts graduates lacked numeracy and scientific literacy. True Equally pernicious, by general consent which general? Guardian readers?, was the rigid status divide between academic and vocational learning.


                              You see, where I'm coming from is that the Guardian (like most other papers) come out with these sweeping generalisations as if they had been handed down by Moses.

                              I haven't read through this thread in detail as I have no first-hand experience (as neither being in the education establishment nor having children) of whether the education system in this country is good or bad. All I can go on are to look at external and independent assessors like the OECD. They seem to think that we're not very good in quite a few subjects. I also get the impression is that under the last Government we can all become brain surgeons.

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                              • MrGongGong
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                #90
                                Successive governments ignore real research which is what frustrates so many people who REALLY know about education
                                but (as with what folks often say about music education :sadface:)
                                two anecdotes = data

                                the other kind of data is on Star Trek


                                School should NOT be a preparation for work .......... (ask Ken he really DOES know about this stuff )

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