Teachers: Are Gove and Cameron listening?

[MrGongGong]

I applaud Mr Gove for one thing - being the first Secretary of State to

manage to get the entire teaching profession in opposition to his daft ideas .......... even those who are probably tory supporters

to achieve such a unanimous result must take real work indeed ............:ela:

[handsomefortune]

Teachers: Are Gove and Cameron listening?

they have each decided that it is not their business to listen apparently.

personally, i'd relish an update, or recap on murdoch & gove's adventure in going world wide with educ via tablet. since that venture seems not to have worked out, (as they were banned from doing it) the same hair brained 'world domination' is being foisted on local schools unfortunately.

outside new academies, there are large plastic banners flapping in the wind with slogans about taking on an apprentice.

'things happen when you take on an apprentice' probably could have been better worded! as slogans go, perhaps it shows a familiar lack of inspiration. the fact that it's made of flimsy plastic rather than a more permanent fixture speaks volumes. not that many of the apprenticeships are real ones anyway .... imo torys have always been expert at stories about their 'progress' .... whilst totally ignoring increasing numbers of institutions and educational professionals. their failure to listen being a key weapon against any people who they may find threatening, mainly those who ask questions, for instance.

to think that gove was visiting all sorts of long standing uk educational orgs, and delivering lectures to educational professionals, and then him having supper (or breakfast) with murdoch, is a very memorable news story of the coalition's reign this far imo. it's also a reflection of the poor state of affairs as far as the future of education might be concerned. meanwhile, committed teachers are forced to keep their heads down, try their best, despite things increasingly working directly against them, and their pupils.

since gove & cameron can't even answer simple questions in any depth, why might either listen to teachers.... 'merely upset by change'? or some such blatant nonsense... :erm: some believe that between them they've turned education into a game of 'who dares wins', education is their 'plaything'.

personally, i hope they both take up a really dangerous sport, 2013, take one too many risks, preferably ruining their own life chances, rather than masses of other peoples!

instead, they'll probably be schmoozing at ms brooks, and only risk having a go on an xmas donkey round the ex editor's back garden. or, perhaps murdoch, himself, might oblige, chew them both up, and spit them out, as he does if he fancies it ... offering a tiny glimmer of hope at eczemas time! :holly::biggrin::holly:

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Gove is an utter fool.
Academies are the result of empty bribes in most cases and coercion in all of the others.
Free schools are a waste of public money and are a response by that greater fool, Chris Woodhead. They are an expensive white elephant that are likely to increase divisiveness.
The pensions dispute between teachers and government is based upon government lies about the costs.
Cameron and Gove want to introduce regional pay, increasing further the north-south divide.
The previous government was not soft on teachers. but it did engage in real discussion. This incompetent rabble is only able to rant propaganda.

[MrGongGong]

Gove is an utter fool.
Academies are the result of empty bribes in most cases and coercion in all of the others.
Free schools are a waste of public money and are a response by that greater fool, Chris Woodhead. They are an expensive white elephant that are likely to increase divisiveness.
The pensions dispute between teachers and government is based upon government lies about the costs.
Cameron and Gove want to introduce regional pay, increasing further the north-south divide.
The previous government was not soft on teachers. but it did engage in real discussion. This incompetent rabble is only able to rant propaganda.

spot on and well put :ok:

[MrGongGong]

Gove is an utter fool.
Academies are the result of empty bribes in most cases and coercion in all of the others.
Free schools are a waste of public money and are a response by that greater fool, Chris Woodhead. They are an expensive white elephant that are likely to increase divisiveness.
The pensions dispute between teachers and government is based upon government lies about the costs.
Cameron and Gove want to introduce regional pay, increasing further the north-south divide.
The previous government was not soft on teachers. but it did engage in real discussion. This incompetent rabble is only able to rant propaganda.

spot on and well put :ok:

(even though I seem to be repeating myself somewhat)

[Resurrection Man]

Yes

No

We already have. Churchill. Thatcher.

[MrGongGong]

. Thatcher.

i'm suddenly feeling very ill indeed ................:sadface:

[cloughie]

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Cameron and Gove want to introduce regional pay, increasing further the north-south divide.

I would say home-counties, rest of the country divide - the south-west would really be hit by this.

[MrGongGong]

I know i've asked this before but has anyone met anyone who thinks that what Gove is doing is a good idea ?

[VodkaDilc]

I know i've asked this before but has anyone met anyone who thinks that what Gove is doing is a good idea ?

I haven't met him, but Fraser Nelson has written two pages of Gove-worship in the current Spectator. As someone said in yesterday's Any Questions (it could have been Alistair Campbell), Gove's biggest success has been convincing his friends in the media that he's doing a wonderful job.

[MrGongGong]

I haven't met him, but Fraser Nelson has written two pages of Gove-worship in the current Spectator. As someone said in yesterday's Any Questions (it could have been Alistair Campbell), Gove's biggest success has been convincing his friends in the media that he's doing a wonderful job.

so that's 2 then :sadface:

[VodkaDilc]

so that's 2 then :sadface:

I'm guessing, but I assume The Times (where he once had a proper job), Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun and attached Sundays all support him.

[subcontrabass]

Gove is an utter fool.
Academies are the result of empty bribes in most cases and coercion in all of the others.
Free schools are a waste of public money and are a response by that greater fool, Chris Woodhead. They are an expensive white elephant that are likely to increase divisiveness.
The pensions dispute between teachers and government is based upon government lies about the costs.
Cameron and Gove want to introduce regional pay, increasing further the north-south divide.
The previous government was not soft on teachers. but it did engage in real discussion. This incompetent rabble is only able to rant propaganda.

Why so genteel and polite?

I am happy that I escaped from school teaching some years ago.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Why so genteel and polite?

Gove is disarmingly charming, according to teachers' union negotiators.

I am happy that I escaped from school teaching some years ago.

I'm happy to be one of the lucky ones who is close enough to retirement not to be too badly affected by his Marie-Antoinette way of doing things.

[Mandryka]

Mrs. Mandryka is a teacher - since her school became an Academy, it has gone rapidly down hill. Teachers are no longer allowed to 'discpline' disruptive children - which means that said children can basically run riot in classes.

They have a new 'technocratic' head, who has told the staff: 'Make no mistake: this is a BUSINESS.'

She suspects that the hidden agenda is to make life intolerable for long-serving (and expensive) teachers and to get a bad OFSTED report, which will enable the management to dismiss/make redundant the established staff and replace them with NQTs - or non-Q-Ts, who will do anything for peanuts.

All very shabby and depressing: if I had children (and I'm very glad I don't), I'd home-educate them - far from ideal, but at least they wouldn't be helpless tennis-balls in the interminable politicking that is UK education.