Teachers: Are Gove and Cameron listening?

[eighthobstruction]

Frontline - Fast-track-Social-Workers....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22555447

[Cornet IV]

I know i've asked this before but has anyone met anyone who thinks that what Gove is doing is a good idea ?

How do you do?:biggrin:

But he's not done himself any good with his infantile "nimby" comments.

[MrGongGong]

How do you do?:biggrin:

But he's not done himself any good with his infantile "nimby" comments.

Really ?
What exactly do you think he is doing right ?
and on what evidence would you base your understanding ?

[greenilex]

Toot toot - get off my fast track - useless untrained semi-professional roaring by in the slow lane

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Really ?
What exactly do you think he is doing right ?
and on what evidence would you base your understanding ?

Clearly the man is an utter fool. Maybe should feel sorry for him. But his dangerous legacy could be with us for generations if he is allowed to continue. I thought Joseph, Baker and Patton were bad, but this one defies all reason. He knows nothing, and thinks he knows everything. Perhaps he should read Socrates...

[MrGongGong]

Clearly the man is an utter fool. Maybe should feel sorry for him. But his dangerous legacy could be with us for generations if he is allowed to continue. I thought Joseph, Baker and Patton were bad, but this one defies all reason. He knows nothing, and thinks he knows everything. Perhaps he should read Socrates...

:ok:

[teamsaint]

Frontline - Fast-track-Social-Workers....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22555447

the consequences of this defy the imagination.
But I guess the bankers won't be affected, so that is alright then.

EDIT: Michael Morpurgo said some sane things about teaching, on Essential Classics today.

(Look, I was trying to park in a town being dug up and re routed, OK?)

[Cornet IV]

Really ?
What exactly do you think he is doing right ?
and on what evidence would you base your understanding ?

I just answered the question out of devilment.

Whilst I once did a short stint as a lecturer in mechanical engineering, I am not qualified as a teacher, I have never been a member of the teaching profession and have no experience, (at least, not since the age of seven and that was nearly seventy years ago), of the maintained system. Consequently, I feel able to view the debate from objective and apolitical perspectives, two factors largely absent from the discussion so far. Indeed, from what I have absorbed of the thread, An Inspector Calls seems to represent a singularly minority view on the board but one that probably is representative of that held by those in the wider world not motivated by such obviously parochial considerations.

I am unable to suggest "what exactly " he is "doing right" - and the grammar with which that sentence is constructed unintentionally is revealing - since I have not followed his progress as Education Minister (or whatever post he holds), nor do I intend to enter the debate but it is clear that continuing the status quo when the Union itself admits that 20% of sixteen year-olds are illiterate is not tolerable. Assuming that only a very small proportion of this percentage is educationally sub-normal, the statistic is a lamentable indictment of an increasingly politicised teaching profession and Michael Gove is the first politician in a very long time not only to recognise the extent of the problem but to have the courage to seek to change things in the face of a broken educational system and an obdurate teaching establishment.

As for evidence of my understanding, the comments so far posted would seem to suggest that his involvement is having some affect.

[teamsaint]

I think that the suggestion that the teaching profession is "increasingly politicised" is fundamentally wrong.I'm not sure how somebody who has had no connection with the maintained sector for 70 years can confidently talk about this politicisation, but perhaps you have good information.
Whilst it is true that NUT conferences seem overtly "political" (whatever that in fact means), I would suggest that the vast majority of teachers are simply interested in doing the job to the best of their ability, in increasingly difficult circumstances.
The job that they are given also seem to have ever diminishing connection with anything resembling education, and to be increasingly a giant "Weights and measures" exercise.
I am not a teacher either, but do speak from lots of close connections with the profession, and in a wide variety of establishments.

Edit: just occurs to me that any politicisation of education comes not from the profession, but from the politicians and their masters.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

As for evidence of my understanding, the comments so far posted would seem to suggest that his involvement is having some affect.

Unless I'm missing some subtlety in the grammar with which that statement is construed, I think you mean "effect".

I post merely for devilment.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Whilst I once did a short stint as a lecturer in mechanical engineering, I am not qualified as a teacher, I have never been a member of the teaching profession and have no experience

That would make you an ideal candidate to become a teacher, and soon afterwards a head teacher.

Michael Gove isn't fixing anything. He's systematically wrecking the progress made in the previous decade in raising standards and the improving relationships within the profession.

[MrGongGong]

I am unable to suggest "what exactly " he is "doing right" - and the grammar with which that sentence is constructed unintentionally is revealing .

You don't doo Can then ?

and

ESN as a designation hasn't been used for many, many years :sadface:

[eighthobstruction]

Here's todays Gove Bulletin.....<any truth in the rumour he is going to introduce an Educational Sharia?>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22558756

[eighthobstruction]

And here's a bit of startling laxness and greed started under NLabour....now found out....(and sort of open charity for the paying of charity boys)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22571711

The report also raises concerns that trustees on the E-ACT board were paid for consultancy work, stressing that "payment to trustees is unusual in the charitable sector, where the basic position is that trustees should not benefit personally from their position so that they can exercise independent scrutiny over the charity's operations."

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Now Gove is even opposed by the headteachers he thought he was pampering.
It's a case of him repeating the same old teacher-bashing propaganda again and again, in the hope that people beyond the Daily Mail will believe it. Sometimes it works. With Gove, I doubt whether he can survive much longer. Only time will tell.