Teachers: Are Gove and Cameron listening?

[eighthobstruction]

Gove having a busy day today....

Yes but you've already cut them by half Govehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22500987

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22483690

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22500121

[Beef Oven]

Not as objectionable as Gove IMV
and as you are without humour or wit don't judge others
i'm sure you can find an "academic" forum thats more to your taste

To be fair to Gove, he's sound on the EU question.

[gurnemanz]

To be fair to Gove, he's sound on the EU question.

Mr Gove is sound on some things and catastrophic on others. It is his attitiude to Europe which tips me towards thinking he is on balance what "1066 and All That" would call a Bad Thing. I object to a load of ageing and middle-aged blokes setting our country on an anti-European path which will continue to have negative repercussions for our country long after they are dead and gone.

[DracoM]

His baleful impact on a reeling education system is likely to last for a very long time, whether the UK remains or or out of the EU.

It is for that and that alone that he deserves all the flak he is getting. He will quit and move on to other political posts no doubt, but when he walks off into a bright sunshiny future, he will leave behind him cohorts of the children of our nation mired in a system he will have rendered utterly inadequate for purpose.

How's that for a legacy?

[MrGongGong]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dumbing-down-minister-michael-gove-gets-his-educational-facts-from-marketing-surveys-for-premier-inn-and-uktv-gold-8614525.html#disqus_thread

:yikes:

[french frank]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...#disqus_thread

:yikes:

"Yet it also emerged that Mr Gove had cribbed from a press-released survey carried on newspaper websites produced by hotel chain Premier Inn which claimed teenagers thought Sir Bruce Forsyth was a former British Prime Minister and Delia Smith was married to Henry VIII."

:smiley:

[MrGongGong]

"Yet it also emerged that Mr Gove had cribbed from a press-released survey carried on newspaper websites produced by hotel chain Premier Inn which claimed teenagers thought Sir Bruce Forsyth was a former British Prime Minister and Delia Smith was married to Henry VIII."

:smiley:

This comment explains much of this IMV

These surveys clearly give multiple choice answers - people who don't know the answers pick at random. 5% of childen think the Spanish Armada is tapas? Nonsense. It simply indicates that at least 5% of children don't know what the Spanish Armada is.

[french frank]

These surveys clearly give multiple choice answers - people who don't know the answers pick at random. 5% of childen think the Spanish Armada is tapas? Nonsense. It simply indicates that at least 5% of children don't know what the Spanish Armada is.

And another pedagogical point: I was 'taught' (as a teacher) not to teach by way of mistakes. Such a method is not merely useless in judging children's knowledge, but some children will remember that Sir Bruce Forsyth was a former Prime Minister because they read it in an exam question (and perhaps chose it as their answer).

Fantastic Indy article btw. Gove's 'Belgrano moment'?

[mercia]

when I was a child I didn't know what tapas was - in fact, I'm still not sure :blush:

I like the way Mrs Downs highlights the department's grammatical mistake

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/details_of_surveys_underpinning

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22514751

[french frank]

Thank's for digging tho's out, merc's!

when I was a child I didn't know what tapas was - in fact, I'm still not sure :blush:

I like the way Mrs Downs highlights the department's grammatical mistake
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...s_underpinning

[amateur51]

Mr Gove is sound on some things and catastrophic on others. It is his attitiude to Europe which tips me towards thinking he is on balance what "1066 and All That" would call a Bad Thing. I object to a load of ageing and middle-aged blokes setting our country on an anti-European path which will continue to have negative repercussions for our country long after they are dead and gone.

And let's not forget that he is a journalist at base (and it doesn't come much baser than that), a journalist nurtured by the tribe Murdoch no less. Thus his eyes are always on the headline, the snappy title, the theme for today. It explains much, I fear.:sadface:

[Flosshilde]

"Yet it also emerged that Mr Gove had cribbed from a press-released survey carried on newspaper websites produced by hotel chain Premier Inn which claimed teenagers thought Sir Bruce Forsyth was a former British Prime Minister and Delia Smith was married to Henry VIII."

:smiley:

UKTV Gold
“Shame-faced Brits are increasingly confusing fact and fiction when it comes to historical knowledge... most people believe that fictional figures such as King Arthur, Sherlock Holmes and Eleanor Rigby really existed.”

There is at least a question mark over King Arthur, isn't there? & wasn't the subject of Eleanor Rigby based on a real person? & the confusion about the reality of Sherlock Holmes has a long history, well before 'shame-faced Brits'.

(if they didn't know the answers they gave were wrong, would they have been 'shame-faced' about them?)

[MrGongGong]

Mr Gove is sound on some things and catastrophic on others.

So on a percentage basis which things is he sound on ?
and is the number statistically significant ?

[eighthobstruction]

So on a percentage basis which things is he sound on ?
and is the number statistically significant ?

Eeeee can it be proved empirically....Hmmmmm????

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22514751

[eighthobstruction]

Teachers Not Applying for Headships....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22554938