Originally posted by teamsaint
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that tosser osborne
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Well, she needs it for the spare room tax.
I'd like to toss him off - the tallest building in the world -
You had me worried for a moment there, Floss! :yikes::biggrin:Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostComment
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Nice try, but come on, Flossie; you surely know that, even though Her Majesty the Queen has chosen to pay personal income tax, she doesn't pay any other taxes!Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
Why not just use the Shard; it may not be the world's tallest building, but it's closer to home so would save on transportation costs. He'd probably survive to do yet more damage, anyway...Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostComment
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Don't know about the Shard - if he was tossed, thrown, or droped off, wouldn't he just slide down? He might not be in very good shape when he reached the bottom, but not an ex-chancellor. I'd rather use something with a clear drop.Comment
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The idea that you can "choose" to pay income tax ................ oh yes we are all in this together my arse :grr:Originally posted by ahinton View PostComment
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No, "I" can't choose to do that. The Queen elected some years ago to subject her personal income to income tax as something of a PR exercise, no doubt, but not without reason; in making such an example, however - or rather in creating such a precedent - I thought at the time and still think it a pity for her not to subject herself to all other taxes just like everyone else; those taxes are, for the most part, inspected and collected by her own Revenue & Customs organisation, after all.Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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But who would take his place? Very likely someone for whom you would soon wish to choose the same or similar fate, I imagine.Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostComment
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Possibly. Perhaps there should be a mass defenestration of present & potential chancellors.Comment
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Originally posted by ahinton View Post
and where they apply to he property, the rules seem to be enforced according to the preferences of her local officials(of her property), rather than the actual tax laws that should apply.......in my experience .I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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Defenestgration, eh? So, since it would appear that you would advocate no future "windows" of opportunity for Chancellors of the Exchequer, ae you of the view that, whichever poliitcal party/ies assume governing power following a General Election, none should a;ppoint a Chancellor of the Exchequer and that such a rôle be consigned to history? If so, how and with what do you see this rôle being replaced?Originally posted by Flosshilde View PostComment
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How does that work? I mean, she doesn't pay council tax on Sandringham, Balmoral and Buck House, does she?!...Originally posted by teamsaint View PostComment
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Consider Iain Duncan Smith (the £53 a week if he had to man):
"Mr Duncan Smith's 16th-century Tudor house in the Buckinghamshire village of Swanbourne is said to be worth £2m – but technically he is just a tenant. The Grade-II listed property, which includes a swimming pool, tennis courts and three acres of grounds, belongs to the family of his wife, Betsy. Mrs Duncan Smith's father, John Tapling Fremantle, the fifth Baron Cottesloe, moved out of the house with his wife several years ago, and Mr Duncan Smith and his wife and four children moved in." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...3-8556168.html
"The Grade II listed building, complete with swimming pool, tennis court and five acres of gardens, is the ancestral home of his wife Betsy’s multimillionaire aristocratic family.
Not only does the house come free, he doesn’t have to worry about his four children paying inheritance tax on it because he and his wife are not technically the owners of the 16th Century home, in Swanbourne, Buckinghamshire.
He was given use of the mansion by his father-in-law, Baron Cottesloe. It was traditionally the focal point of life in the village where the Cottesloes own 1,300 acres of prime farmland as well as the pub, post office, a private school and many of the houses.
Until 2001 the mansion was home to Mrs Duncan Smith’s father, Commander John Tapling Fremantle, 87, the fifth Baron Cottesloe.
The Baron and his wife then moved to another of their homes in the village and the Duncan Smiths moved in with their children Edward, Alicia, Harry and Rosanna.
The Baron retained ownership of the house until 2005, when it was signed over to be owned jointly by Mrs Duncan Smith’s brother Thomas, her cousin Richard Brooks and Paul Knocker, a millionaire friend of the Baron.
Mrs Duncan Smith’s brother is listed on the electoral roll as living at the house, but is understood to spend most of his time at a property 50 miles away in Hampstead, north London.
Mr Brooks lives in a stately home in Wistow, Leicestershire, and Conservative activist Mr Knocker, 74, lives in a £650,000 country home near Salisbury, Wilts.
According to land registry records, the three men 'paid' £1million for the Duncan Smiths’ house in 2005, but it is unclear how the money changed hands.
Mrs Duncan Smith is the Baron’s eldest child and could stand to inherit the lion’s share of the family wealth.
She is already a major shareholder in the family property firm Thomas Tapling & Co, which has investment assets worth £1.1million and owns farms, shops and businesses across England worth £4.5million."
"After seven years with GEC, Mr Duncan Smith moved to a property company as its marketing director, but was made redundant after just six months when the housing market crashed.
By now he was married to his wife Betsy, who is a baron’s daughter, with a child and a second on the way.
He once recalled: 'It was a shock – absolutely awful. I felt pathetic. I remember telling my wife. We looked at each other and she said: ‘God, what are we going to do for money?’.'"
"What are we going to do for money?" :laugh:.
"His claim that he studied at the University of Perugia (founded 1308) was later found to be false after an investigation by the BBC. His office subsequently admitted that he attended the Italian Università per Stranieri (founded 1921) in Perugia for a year but he didn't obtain any qualifications or finish his exams. In 1975 he attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and was subsequently commissioned into the Scots Guards. Duncan-Smith's biography, on the Conservative Party website, claimed he was "educated at Dunchurch College of Management" but following questioning by the BBC his office confirmed that he did not get any qualifications there either, stating that he completed six separate courses lasting a few days each, adding up to about a month in total. Dunchurch was the former staff college for GEC Marconi, for whom Duncan-Smith worked in the 1980s.
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That is naughty of them !!Originally posted by ahinton View Post
official secrets, I'm afraid, AH.
Lets just say, they have been known, on occasions, to use the Portsmouth Football club method of paying over PAYE deductions.....:winkeye:
(ad hoc, occasional, casual, estimated might be kind terms).
Sometimes they don't pay people for services rendered, or if they do, after an inordinate delay. That is also naughty, isn't it?I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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OK, but I was thinking specifically about the actual tax liabilities or otherwise to which the monarch has or has not subjected herself rather than how and to what extent certain of "the firm"'s payroll management staff might handle the deductions that they may or may not make from the salaries that they may or may not pay to certain of "the firm"'s employees...Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
(ad hoc, occasional, casual, estimated might be kind terms).
Yes, but they're hardly alone in that!Originally posted by teamsaint View PostComment
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PAYE that you deduct from employees wages is a liability, of sorts, I would think.
Other people not paying bills hardly makes it right for an incredibly wealthy family , does it.
I thought they went in for duty, responsibility, a good example and so on.
Or is that just a load of old flannel designed to fool the peasants?I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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