We're All In This Together .....

[teamsaint]

:ok:

Plus of course the indespensable of an "enemy" scapegoat to offload all the problems of the world, man, onto - without whom, where would "we all" be?

In sequence, more-or-less, (with apologies to those...... left out?):

Catholics
Jews
Communists
Hippies
Environmentalists
Feminists
Gays
Immigrants
Trade union bosses
Social workers
Trotsky"ites"
Foreigners
Travellers
Smokers
Paedophiles
Muslims - Oh, maybe we should have started here?

some more listed here....!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb82v7wh1Fw

If only it was all this funny.....

[ahinton]

things could get so bad so fast now that we might need a national government well before 2015

But a "national government" made up of whom? - and for the purpose and with the chance of trying to achieve what? I'm afraid that I can see not one shred of evidence that might point to a different government in Britain (provided that it is elected) being capable of anything more than the tentative application of the odd bits of sticking plaster to problems so vast that whatever it might attempt to do in terms of addressing them will almost certainly pass largely unnoticed and have no material effect.

this is a crisis, a deep and profound crisis .... not simply that but climate change is far worse than currently commonly understood and happening a lot faster than previously estimated ...

There are (or at least were) "climate change deniers" and "climate change deniers"; I imagine that, these days, very few people deny that any climate change is occurring anywhere, but what is more important is (a) how much if any of that change is materially affected by human activities and (b) to the extent that any of them are not so affected, how might a government of any kind - especially just one of a single small nation - reasonably be expected to do anything constructive about them?

I have no doubt that widespread over-reliance on fossil fuels may well contribute adversely to climate change and there can surely be little if any doubt that it contributes adversely to atmospheric pollution, so the gradual replacement of such fuels by nuclear and other sustainable energy sources, to whatever extent if any it might impact posively on climate change, will almost certainly reduce atmospheric pollution, which can only be a good thing, so it's well worth advocating and getting on with it.

That said, if fossil fuel use really takes the lion's share of responsibility for the adverse aspects of such climate change as can be ascribed to human activities, we're in for a massive problem in any case, because it will take decades of international reductions therein to begin to have any significant reverse impact on it and, given that China and India, as relatively newly growing and developing economies, are now widely regarded as two of the largest single culprits in this, the prospects that either or both will be prepared to sacrifice a large swathe of their economic progress upon the altar of fossil fuel reduction and ultimate abandonment is surely so slim as to be unworthy of a moment's serious consideration, however uncomfortable a truth that might nonetheless be.

the times are such that we should no longer tolerate the lies dogmas and vanities of the establishment and the gentlemen of tender years in the Coalition [because they are just wrong never mind their morals]

But with what shall they be replaced, how and by whom?

[ahinton]

:ok:

Plus of course the indespensable of an "enemy" scapegoat to offload all the problems of the world, man, onto - without whom, where would "we all" be?

In sequence, more-or-less, (with apologies to those...... left out?):

Catholics
Jews
Communists
Hippies
Environmentalists
Feminists
Gays
Immigrants
Trade union bosses
Social workers
Trotsky"ites"
Foreigners
Travellers
Smokers
Paedophiles
Muslims - Oh, maybe we should have started here?

Of course not. You should have started with one that you didn't even include in the above list. COMPOSERS! I should know. Oh, and there's one that you should have excluded because its inclusion defeats the very object of scapegoat-hunting - foreigners. Why? Well, obviously because we're all foreigners to someone!

[JohnSkelton]

Whilst it may indeed be possible, or at least within the range of possible possibilities, that picking your nose, to use an expression which indubitably will not affect the composition of any future government, should such a government be elected, is less than desirable in terms of not getting bits of nasal detritus adhering to the fingers, nevertheless I am bound to query whether, given the cost of supplying tissues to at least that proportion of the population who live, say, in such areas of the country where, unquestionably, it is the case that another or an other proportion of the population do not live, although, of course, there is nothing to prevent them moving there except those things which do prevent them moving there, and while or whilst it is true that the discrepancy between rich and poor may, indeed, be widening, is that altogether to be ascribed to the rich being richer than the poor or vice versa, leading one to wonder whether were climate change to be a reality, which undoubtedly it is in the sense of the climate changing, and whether or no human agency is in the main part or no part or in between parts at fault, nevertheless it is difficult to see what can be done in the matter of deciding to blow one's nose into a tissue rather than pick it, which brings me back to my original observation.

[Serial_Apologist]

some more listed here....!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb82v7wh1Fw

If only it was all this funny.....

Brilliant - thanks TS - not having a TV I missed that series!

[Serial_Apologist]

Whilst it may indeed be possible, or at least within the range of possible possibilities, that picking your nose, to use an expression which indubitably will not affect the composition of any future government, should such a government be elected, is less than desirable in terms of not getting bits of nasal detritus adhering to the fingers, nevertheless I am bound to query whether, given the cost of supplying tissues to at least that proportion of the population who live, say, in such areas of the country where, unquestionably, it is the case that another or an other proportion of the population do not live, although, of course, there is nothing to prevent them moving there except those things which do prevent them moving there, and while or whilst it is true that the discrepancy between rich and poor may, indeed, be widening, is that altogether to be ascribed to the rich being richer than the poor or vice versa, leading one to wonder whether were climate change to be a reality, which undoubtedly it is in the sense of the climate changing, and whether or no human agency is in the main part or no part or in between parts at fault, nevertheless it is difficult to see what can be done in the matter of deciding to blow one's nose into a tissue rather than pick it, which brings me back to my original observation.

:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

:laugh:

Or, as was once suggested, "If Thatcher gets up your nose..."

[ahinton]

Whilst it may indeed be possible, or at least within the range of possible possibilities, that picking your nose, to use an expression which indubitably will not affect the composition of any future government, should such a government be elected, is less than desirable in terms of not getting bits of nasal detritus adhering to the fingers, nevertheless I am bound to query whether, given the cost of supplying tissues to at least that proportion of the population who live, say, in such areas of the country where, unquestionably, it is the case that another or an other proportion of the population do not live, although, of course, there is nothing to prevent them moving there except those things which do prevent them moving there, and while or whilst it is true that the discrepancy between rich and poor may, indeed, be widening, is that altogether to be ascribed to the rich being richer than the poor or vice versa, leading one to wonder whether were climate change to be a reality, which undoubtedly it is in the sense of the climate changing, and whether or no human agency is in the main part or no part or in between parts at fault, nevertheless it is difficult to see what can be done in the matter of deciding to blow one's nose into a tissue rather than pick it, which brings me back to my original observation.

I fear that a little judicious editing/pruning may not come amiss here.

Since what "may...be possible" must by definition fall "within the range of possible possibilities", the phrase "or at least withing the range of possible possibilities," is redundant (by reason of tautology) to the sense which a generous minded reader might assume you to be seeking to convey.

In the light (or penumbra, or dark) of what you write thereafter, it's probably easier (and is certainly possible!) simply to recast your post as follows.

"Whilst it may indeed be possible that picking one's nose (to use an expression which will indubitably not affect the composition of a future government should one such be elected), is less than desirable in terms of not getting bits of nasal detritus adhering to the fingers, I am nevertheless bound to query whether, given the cost of supplying tissues to at some proportion of the population (irrespective of its present or future chosen or enforced location), anything can usefully be decided as to whether to blow one's nose into a tissue rather than pick it".

Admittedly, this edited précis omits your references to (a) a discrepancy between rich and poor that may be widening (and to what you might ascribe this) and (b) your question as to whether and/or to what extent human agency might be responsible for the reality of climate change. The reason for this omission is that, rather than leading you "back to (your) original observation" (such as it was) about the efficacy or otherwise of nose-picking, the entire central (though non-centrist) non-thrust of your post constitutes a kind of stream-of-semi-consciousness that's probably drying up as a direct consequence of climate change, howsoever caused; still, better a stream-of-semi-consciousness than a tissue of lies, one may suppose...

Furthermore, your seemingly gratuitous introduction of the notion that nose-picking will not affect the composition of any future government is hard to see as anything other than a supererogatory, if not pleonastic, statement of the b*e*d**g obvious.

Pity, that - for I'm sure that you had something useful and interesting to say and not to be sneezed at, as so often you do, irrespective of whether or to what extent I might agree with it.

[ahinton]

:ok::ok::ok::ok::ok:

:laugh:

Or, as was once suggested, "If Thatcher gets up your nose..."

"...cut it off to spite your face?", was it? You doubtless remember better than I. Snot my fault, though.

[vinteuil]

I fear that a little judicious editing/pruning may not come amiss

.

... writes ahinton :erm:

[ahinton]

... writes ahinton :erm:

Indeed - and then proceeds to do it.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

merde

replaced by whom .... another bunch of ineffective nitwits of course any one who picks up the phone

it is a spectacle innit nothing can be believed

irony is as big a lie as as sincerity

there is no rational ideology/cognitive model/discourse available to fix this ... that is what a crisis is ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w7RIgs3eygo

[teamsaint]

Brilliant - thanks TS - not having a TV I missed that series!

.....

The Grot Series is every bit as good as the first really...
I recently did something unheard of for me and bought the box set of all 3 series...its one my favourites of all time....and it seems to be so prophetic about how the world has gone... Reggie knew...
almost worth having a telly for......

[Beef Oven]

.....

The Grot Series is every bit as good as the first really...
I recently did something unheard of for me and bought the box set of all 3 series...its one my favourites of all time....and it seems to be so prophetic about how the world has gone... Reggie knew...
almost worth having a telly for......

I got them too :ok: & Rising :star:

[ahinton]

replaced by whom .... another bunch of ineffective nitwits of course any one who picks up the phone

Beats nose-picking any day though, wouldn't you agree?...

[amateur51]

... writes ahinton :erm:

:laugh: wicked boy! :smiley: