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[Serial_Apologist]

The Today programme frequently gives MPs a good grilling.

Yes but don't you more than often find yourself shouting at, eg Evan Davis or John Humphrys, "You've Just asked the wrong question!!!"???

[Simon]

Thanks for your answer, TS. You're right about arms interests, though they are global rather than USA-based. Israel, of course, wants attention kept away from Palestine, which is why all the "will he, won't he" has been ramped up. Netanyahu has won all rounds so far.

[Serial_Apologist]

Thanks for your answer, TS. You're right about arms interests, though they are global rather than USA-based. Israel, of course, wants attention kept away from Palestine, which is why all the "will he, won't he" has been ramped up. Netanyahu has won all rounds so far.

He scares the **** out of me.

[Simon]

Inelegantly put, but for once we are in general agreement! :-)

[Resurrection Man]

Yes but don't you more than often find yourself shouting at, eg Evan Davis or John Humphrys, "You've Just asked the wrong question!!!"???

Yes, but that's not we are discussing here. We are discussing the statement that all the media is under the control of Them...although quite who Them are hasn't been fully established.

[Resurrection Man]

And just to bring a bit of balance into the equation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

[MrGongGong]

And just to bring a bit of balance into the equation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2012

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

is this an entry for "non sequitur of the week" ?

[Simon]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

is this an entry for "non sequitur of the week" ?

No GongGong, it's a relevant point, as it partly explains some of the feelings in Israel that enable such as Netanyahu to gain and retain power. But as you seem able only ever to see through one narrow field of vision, I expect it will escape you.

One might also consider perhaps a comparison of the number of deaths on the two sides, or the number of illegal settlements constructed, or any number of other things. They have all contributed in some way to the mess.

[Simon]

... We are discussing the statement that all the media is under the control of Them...although quite who Them are hasn't been fully established.

I too would be interested in establishing this.

[MrGongGong]

No GongGong, it's a relevant point, as it partly explains some of the feelings in Israel that enable such as Netanyahu to gain and retain power. But as you seem able only ever to see through one narrow field of vision, I expect it will escape you.

One might also consider perhaps a comparison of the number of deaths on the two sides, or the number of illegal settlements constructed, or any number of other things. They have all contributed in some way to the mess.

actually professor I am very aware of the feelings in Israel
but merely pointing out that (as you are no doubt very much aware) that if one seeks "balance" then maybe there is a huge difference between a highly militarised country in possession of nuclear weapons and it's neighbours
but what do I know , I'm just a lefty musician :sadface:

[teamsaint]

I too would be interested in establishing this.

Well, I am unlikely to be able to establish this to your or RM's satisfaction, but very broadly,"they" all the financial interests that run America and Europe(and i guess Russia too)......Banking, Oil, arms, (and a few other industrial areas) and all the politicians who do their bidding at every turn (EG Quantitative easing, bank rescues, huge military budgets) .

Here is a good example of the media being in the governments pockets.
This

http://www.uknetguide.co.uk/Latest-News/Nearly-one-in-five-will-reach-100th-birthday-800316918.html

was widely quoted as a top news story. I remember quite clearly that it was the TOP news story on R3 bulletins the day it was released. it was widely reported that "nearly " 20 percent of the UK population would reach age 100. This "report" actually emanates from the DWP , who blatantly have a pension reduction agenda, and needed "evidence " to justify it.

Now i don't have a crystal ball, but i don't know anybody who reached age 100. Apart from the Queen mother , I can't name anybody who reached age 100. (that composer chap?) Nobody. Even with todays healthcare (?!) not all that many get much past 90.
This report was a BLATANT distortion of the facts, placed by government sources to further scare an already scared population into accepting longer working lives and even worse pensions.
Oh, and the media were complicit in the lies about Iraq..and for Bush /Blair, read dave/obama.

[teamsaint]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

is this an entry for "non sequitur of the week" ?

can i enter this please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

To save you the bother , Israel has , at the very, very minimum, 75 nukes.

What is the prize for non sequitur of the week? I think it should be a pair of secateurs.Non?

[Simon]

Well, I am unlikely to be able to establish this to your or RM's satisfaction, but very broadly,"they" all the financial interests that run America and Europe(and i guess Russia too)......Banking, Oil, arms, (and a few other industrial areas) and all the politicians who do their bidding at every turn (EG Quantitative easing, bank rescues, huge military budgets) .

This is turning into an interesting, and I'm glad to say, more or less friendly-toned thread, IMO.

Unusual for you and I to be on similar lines, ts, but may I suggest you try to dig a bit deeper and something more should appear!

Here is a good example of the media being in the governments pockets.

This

http://www.uknetguide.co.uk/Latest-News/Nearly-one-in-five-will-reach-100th-birthday-800316918.html

was widely quoted as a top news story. I remember quite clearly that it was the TOP news story on R3 bulletins the day it was released. it was widely reported that "nearly " 20 percent of the UK population would reach age 100. This "report" actually emanates from the DWP , who blatantly have a pension reduction agenda, and needed "evidence " to justify it.

Don't remember that: must have been away. Don't forget they are talking about 50 odd years' time! I don't think it's so much about "in pockets" here, as the journos lobby briefing system working. Not corruption as such, but journos need stories and political briefers provide them. The good investigative reporters aren't as prevalent as they once were, and there's a hungry "news" machine to feed... maybe they take things with less salt nowadays... but it could be true. People will live longer, and there's no doubt that there's a pensions problem coming along: remember, Gordon Brown raided many pensions ... the real crime was that nobody kicked off about that, which was theft by any other name.

[Resurrection Man]

.......

Here is a good example of the media being in the governments pockets.
This

http://www.uknetguide.co.uk/Latest-News/Nearly-one-in-five-will-reach-100th-birthday-800316918.html

was widely quoted as a top news story. I remember quite clearly that it was the TOP news story on R3 bulletins the day it was released. it was widely reported that "nearly " 20 percent of the UK population would reach age 100. This "report" actually emanates from the DWP , who blatantly have a pension reduction agenda, and needed "evidence " to justify it.
.....

Is this really the best that you can come up with? That is hardly a 'hidden agenda' as it is based on scientific research and demographics. "People are living longer"....shock..horror...that dastardly Osborne has put something in the water.

[teamsaint]

I am so sorry if it doesn't meet your stringent criteria, RM.
This was a big lie , put out by the government , and put at the top of the schedules , as part of a process to reduce the living standards of ordinary people.
That is good enough for me.
We should get back to Iran , now that we have established that the government will mislead us, and that organisations like the BBC are careless at best about what they put out as "News"...You see it as a coincidental routine military exercise. I see it as a threat to attack yet another independent state, on flimsy evidence about weapons that they probably don't yet have.
There is no reason to suppose that we, or Israel won't attack at some point.
More death, more destruction, more american imposed "democracy" on the horizon. You support that if you want.
Almost Nobody I have met supports these wars.

Edit, because RM edited his last post comprehensively !
The population age thing isn't an hidden agenda, its an agenda dressed up as news. AS for the quality of the research and demographics....do you really believe that nearly 20% of people alive today, or even born today, will live to 100?
I don't. I have never met a single person who reached that age. It is, in my view, a lie.