Iran

[amateur51]

I thought he did

http://www.palestrant.com/babbitt.html

?

(OT I know ) ..........

The elephant in the room of all of this is Israel's possession (allegedly) of nuclear weapons
if people started acting ethically (and that doesn't just mean "The West") then we might get somewhere
but
if we use a the logic that "because others do it, it's ok for us to join in, even if we disagree" then we will be forever stuffed ...... using the same logic we should start selling hard drugs to children as "we don't want the bad people to get hold of them".............

Not much "allegedly" about it, MrGG unless Mordecai Vanunu has been jailed and harassed, released and harassed and now just harassed for the last 25+ years for no reason whatsoever :sadface:

[MrGongGong]

Not much "allegedly" about it, MrGG unless Mordecai Vanunu has been jailed and harassed, released and harassed and now just harassed for the last 25+ years for no reason whatsoever :sadface:

I know
but didn't really want Mossad round until I finished the symphony i'm writing :winkeye:

[amateur51]

I know
but didn't really want Mossad round until I finished the symphony i'm writing :winkeye:

:ok::laugh: Fairy nuff! :smiley:

[Lateralthinking1]

But are we going to war next with Iran, Syria, Argentina, Spain, China, North Korea, Russia, France, Ireland, Germany or Occupy?

It isn't clear to me.

[Budapest]

I am aware of it, although not in the detail.
America, land of the free...Real Doublethink, right now. Orwell knew more than can be coincidence...

The real elephant in the room is that none of this gets reported by the mainstream media, including the BBC. I have to link to a Guardian piece again, because it's about the only mainstream that still does report what's really going on in the world. This brief article by Naomi Wolf gives a good overview of the NDAA 2012 and the lawsuit against President Obama that a judge ruled in favour of this week:

The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled

And with regard to the NDAA 2013, approved by the House of Representatives on Thursday, none of the big news outlets is reporting it yet, so I have to go non-mainstream. As well as once again codifying the indefinite detention of American citizens without trial, the NDAA 2013 also paves the way for a war with Iran:

NDAA is authorization to go to war with Iran

When a country starts passing laws like the NDAA 2012 and 2013 it's already too late to step back from the brink of a police state, despite Naomi Wolf's somewhat optimistic assessment of the court ruling this week, particularly when you consider that these laws use legalise that's deliberately designed to confuse citizens about the real nature of them.

America has been a basketcase for sometime now. My main concern is that the UK is going exactly the same way. The first step, of course, is that the government keeps citizens in the dark about what's really going on, and that starts with control of the media, and then trying to control the flow of information on the internet.

[ahinton]

No, he didn't!

Not once!

Ever!

I know that well, of course; that was my very point in citing it alongside the of-reiterated knee-jerk allegation that Ahmadinejad actually said that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map!

[ahinton]

But are we going to war next with Iran, Syria, Argentina, Spain, China, North Korea, Russia, France, Ireland, Germany or Occupy?

It isn't clear to me.

Nor to me - but you forgot Greece...

[teamsaint]

Two points re Budapests #20
1. It really is madness to rely for your news sources on supposedly unbiased and reputable sources like the BBC. They do a good job of looking unbiased, but in truth, they report the stories that government want reported...because those are the stories they are fed.
for clarification watch out for the lead story on BBC news each day. Usually based on a press briefing or report that the government want out there, usually to scare us with.

2. I am very wary of the real agenda behind the digital revolution.As you suggest, contol of the internet is just a step away.And when everything is digital, (books, news, information, radio etc)we are just a button flick away from really big trouble.
we would b very well advised to hold onto whatever non digital stuff we can, because control of digital is just too easy for people with bad agendas.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I know that well, of course; that was my very point in citing it alonside the knee-jerk allegation that Ahmadinejad actually said that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map!

This occured to me after I'd posted, but I let my "response" stand because it has become a "fact" that MB was responsible for the infamous title that was foist upon his excellent article. I think it important to counter this myth at every available opportunity: no one, in his teachings and writings took more care that people listened (and listened carefully) than Babbitt.

My apologies: back to topic.

[MrGongGong]

This occured to me after I'd posted, but I let my "response" stand because it has become a "fact" that MB was responsible for the infamous title that was foist upon his excellent article. I think it important to counter this myth at every available opportunity: no one, in his teachings and writings took more care that people listened (and listened carefully) than Babbitt.

My apologies: back to topic.

thanks for this
:ok:

[amateur51]

thanks for this
:ok:

You took the thumb off my hand MrGG - many thanks from me too, fhg :ok:

[eighthobstruction]

Very interesting in depth debate re Iran....http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...me_23_05_2012/

[teamsaint]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9545597/Armada-of-international-naval-power-massing-in-the-Gulf-as-Israel-prepares-an-Iran-strike.html

on the google news listings this comes well beneath the british soldier having a baby, and news about One Direction's new single.

[Resurrection Man]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...an-strike.html

on the google news listings this comes well beneath the british soldier having a baby, and news about One Direction's new single.

Is this a comment about ....well, not really sure, to be honest. That the general world public is more interested in a baby and a new single then other world events? If so then, sadly, it was ever thus.

[teamsaint]

its a comment about the world we are living in...dominated by interests who want (YET ANOTHER) was, and who have the media in their pockets.

We need to do what little we can to stop this nonsense.