General election results 2015

[teamsaint]

is Dan Jarvis really a labour MP?

i astonished at his comments in the press today.

[Richard Tarleton]

is Dan Jarvis really a labour MP?

i astonished at his comments in the press today.

Which particularly, ts? His article in The Times seems to echo what a number of leading figures in the Labour Party have been saying in the last few days.

[David-G]

But it's more interesting why what 'shouldn't' have happened, did happen. And what the ramifications for democracy really are. Dismissing a large part of the electorate as naive, gullible, stupid etc (in contrast to ourselves who are clear-sighted and intelligent), even that has repercussions.

Sorry, I have come to this rather late. What shouldn't have happened, and why shouldn't it have happened? And who is dismissing the electorate as gullible, stupid etc?

[teamsaint]

Which particularly, ts? His article in The Times seems to echo what a number of leading figures in the Labour Party have been saying in the last few days.

stuff like this.

"Never again can we allow ourselves to be painted as having a problem with people eager to work hard, get on and succeed. They should know that Labour will always be their champion,” he said.
and
Echoing demands for a more "aspirational" approach from a stream of critics of a leftwards shift under Mr Miliband, he said the party "failed to tap into people's aspirations with a sufficiently optimistic vision for how Labour would improve their lives".

I'm not sure if he really believes either that Labour did come across like this, or that moving in a direction that this suggests might have won the election,but either way, I think that his comments misunderstand the mood of those people who might actually vote labour.

But I am out of touch with the Labour party, and IMO, the labour party would probably do anything at all for power...just like the tories that they are supposed to oppose.

( I have spent my working life in sales, selling real things like books, and I never felt that the tories were on my side).

[french frank]

Sorry, I have come to this rather late. What shouldn't have happened, and why shouldn't it have happened? Who is dismissing the electorate as gullible, stupid etc?

You've omitted to put the quotes round 'shouldn't'. What 'might be supposed shouldn't have happened but did'. The Conservatives being re-elected with an outright majority after they'd been in power for five years and didn't appear to be particularly popular. And with UKIP hovering in the background supposed to cream off a section of their support. And how it should be explained if you don't dismiss the electorate as gullible, stupid (which I assume one wouldn't do). But that was said three and a half days ago when people hadn't said much other than that it was sad.

[Beef Oven!]

Some of its members are certainly racist, although if they display this in public they do tend to get thrown out. Many of its supporters and the people who voted for it are certainly racist, I can't imagine where you get the idea that they aren't.

Many people who voted Labour are certainly racist. And so with the Tories, Libdems etc. I cannot imagine where you get the idea, that racism is confined to the sort of people who support and vote for the UKIP.

[MrGongGong]

Many people who voted Labour are certainly racist. And so with the Tories, Libdems etc. I cannot imagine where you get the idea, that racism is confined to the sort of people who support and vote for the UKIP.

Did he say that?
UKIP play what they think is a clever game in getting rid of their supporters who in unguarded moments reveal their obnoxious opinions. Which is NOT to say that everyone in UKIP is a racist bigot but they are the place where many of these folks end up.

I suspect they persuade Nige to stay as he seems to be the only one who can hold it together in public for long enough without exploding.

[Beef Oven!]

Did he say that?
UKIP play what they think is a clever game in getting rid of their supporters who in unguarded moments reveal their obnoxious opinions. Which is NOT to say that everyone in UKIP is a racist bigot but they are the place where many of these folks end up.

I suspect they persuade Nige to stay as he seems to be the only one who can hold it together in public for long enough without exploding.

Yeah, they're all lizards and you're nobodiy's fool!

[MrGongGong]

Yeah, they're all lizards and you're nobodies fool!

one of those is correct

[Beef Oven!]

one of those is correct

Don't be silly, they're not lizards. You been on the David Icke books again?

[Beef Oven!]

UKIP has expelled or suspended some of the above but doesn't it make you wonder what led them to join that particular party in the first place?

It's a populist party and isn't scared of talking about immigration. That inevitably draws some of the wrong people. And as you note, the UKIP expels those sorts of people.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

one of those is correct

But the grammar wasn't.

[Beef Oven!]

But the grammar wasn't.

I changed it, smart A.

[DracoM]

For journalists / media people, this was like a particularly exciting FA Cup Final they can tell tales about for ever.

For us as a nation, we stand on the edge of effective banishment from Europe with huge ramifications; our own union is about to be more or less fractured permanently; our welfare and medical services are about to be torpedoed. We have just become a much smaller, much less confident place, and the supreme irony of all this is that we are being led into this dangerous cave system, not by Labour, or Ukip, but by of all parties, the Tories. The nation I once thought I knew is teetering on the edge of irrelevance, insignificance and fragmentation.

Vote SNP and we will lock Cameron out of Downing Street? Oh, really?

Somehow, unlike those locked into the Westminster village, the media bubble, I don't see this as much of an exciting laugh. I'm frightened as to where my country is going, and what it is about to be turned into.

[Beef Oven!]

For journalists / media people, this was like a particularly exciting FA Cup Final they can tell tales about for ever.

For us as a nation, we stand on the edge of effective banishment from Europe with huge ramifications; our own union is about to be more or less fractured permanently; our welfare and medical services are about to be torpedoed. We have just become a much smaller, much less confident place, and the supreme irony of all this is that we are being led into this dangerous cave system, not by Labour, or Ukip, but by of all parties, the Tories. The nation I once thought I knew is teetering on the edge of irrelevance, insignificance and fragmentation.

Vote SNP and we will lock Cameron out of Downing Street? Oh, really?

Somehow, unlike those locked into the Westminster village, the media bubble, I don't see this as much of an exciting laugh. I'm frightened as to where my country is going, and what it is about to be turned into.

Sounds like you should've voted UKIP.