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Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View PostDear Oh Dear ...
It is not myself who favours the 'against' case as I've already declared it to be a nonsense as nobody actually votes 'against' but 'for'. What is so difficult to grasp about that?
I've simply pointed out that even applying this so-called 'against' methodology the Tories would still come out as the Party with least votes 'against'.
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I really can't be bothered doing the maths in detail but if you look here
You can see that more people voted against the Tories than for them
The Tories got 11,334,576
Labour 9,347,304
Lib Dems 2,415,862
Kippers 3,881,099
So even ignoring all the rest and my aversion to maths
I think 15,574,265 is a bigger number than 11,334,576
People DO vote 'against' I did, I voted to try and stop something.
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostVery sad really
In spite of this she will be in favour of selling arms to dodgy regimes, taking away benefits from disabled people and all the other nasty things that are promised.
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostWill she? I mean she, as distinct from the party? What will happen when the whips get to her will, of course, remain to be seen and I'm not saying that you're wrong here - more that we need a little time within which to wait and see.
Don't get me wrong, there are some good people involved in party politics
but those who do other than what they are told are very few and far between and probably a dying breed....
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostMoving on...
"Net migration to Britain surged to 318,000 in 2014, just below its previous peak under the Labour government in 2005. The latest quarterly migration figures from the Office of National Statistics show that net immigration from outside Europe – up 42,000 – is now rising almost as strongly as from within Europe – up 67,000. Net migration from outside Europe is now at its highest level since 2011 and the latest rise brings to an end a recent decline as a result of the last government crackdowns."
So obviously the solution to this "problem" is to leave the EU, right?
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Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View PostIt is not myself who favours the 'against' case as I've already declared it to be a nonsense as nobody actually votes 'against' but 'for'. What is so difficult to grasp about that?
Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View PostI've simply pointed out that even applying this so-called 'against' methodology the Tories would still come out as the Party with least votes 'against'.
Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View PostInstead of pretending a lack of comprehension over simple, publicly-available figures on the internet, and elsewhere, I suggest it might be disgruntled members who need to consider 'moving on' on this subject, or come up with rather more convincing arguments.
Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View PostUnlike others here I'm not at all concerned with particular political allegiances just the fairness or otherwise of the electoral system itself!
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11,334,576 votes for the Tories.
9,347,304 (Labour) + 1,454,436 (SNP) + 2,415,862 (LibDem) + 3,000,000 (UKIP, more or less) + whatever the Greens got seems to come to rather more than 11 million, unless my arithmetic is worse than I thought.
So what 'methodology' were you using?
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Originally posted by jean View PostIt doesn't go anywhere though, does it?
11,334,576 votes for the Tories.
9,347,304 (Labour) + 1,454,436 (SNP) + 2,415,862 (LibDem) + 3,000,000 (UKIP, more or less) + whatever the Greens got seems to come to more than 11 million.
So what 'methodology' were you using?
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostI think once you join the 'party' thats what you buy into.
Don't get me wrong, there are some good people involved in party politics
but those who do other than what they are told are very few and far between and probably a dying breed....
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostMaybe - or at least a minority one - but, despite her young age, she presumably didn't just "buy into" the party in order to fight in the election...
Maybe she runs an arms dealing business in her spare time?
People can be odd indeed
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Originally posted by jean View PostIt doesn't go anywhere though, does it?
11,334,576 votes for the Tories.
9,347,304 (Labour) + 1,454,436 (SNP) + 2,415,862 (LibDem) + 3,000,000 (UKIP, more or less) + whatever the Greens got seems to come to rather more than 11 million, unless my arithmetic is worse than I thought.
So what 'methodology' were you using?
Tories: 11,334,920
Others: 18,432,037
Turnout: 30,691,680
This means that
(a) Labour + LibDems polled more in total that did the Tories
(b) Labour + UKIP did the same to an even greater extent
(c) Labour, the LibDems and UKIP together polled more than half of the total votes cast.
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostSo why join one that appears to be in opposition to these other things?
Maybe she runs an arms dealing business in her spare time?
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostPeople DO vote 'against' I did, I voted to try and stop something.
There have been suggestions for voting for "None of the above", but that seems to me too limiting. Why not "Definitely NOT X"? so that we could have proper "negative" voting.
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Originally posted by Dave2002 View PostSo did I, and even using an agreed vote swap, which AFAIK is not illegal, it was completely fruitless. Nobody "we" wanted got in. Only the people who are in any well recognised marginal seat usually have any chance of having influence in elections.
There have been suggestions for voting for "None of the above", but that seems to me too limiting. Why not "Definitely NOT X"? so that we could have proper "negative" voting.
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostSorry you are wrong
I really can't be bothered doing the maths in detail but if you look here
You can see that more people voted against the Tories than for them
The Tories got 11,334,576
Labour 9,347,304
Lib Dems 2,415,862
Kippers 3,881,099
So even ignoring all the rest and my aversion to maths
I think 15,574,265 is a bigger number than 11,334,576
People DO vote 'against' I did, I voted to try and stop something.
Taking the four main parties' figures as you did:
Votes 'against' the Tories ... 15,574,265.
Votes 'against' Labour ... 17,631,537
Votes 'against' Lib Dems ... 24,562,979
Votes 'against' 'Kippers' ... 23,097,742
So even if we take the 'against' methodology all the other parties do worse than the Tories.
If we decide to add up all the votes 'against' one party we must do the same for all the others as well or the whole thing is rendered totally meaningless!
I'm afraid (for you) the Tories win either way, and if you actually believe we have a proportional-vote arrangement in the UK I'm afraid it is you who is quite wrong and not I!
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