General election results 2015

[teamsaint]

Indeed
BUT why on earth have the Scottish embraced Trump?

OT I know

not all of them have, TBF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQMNRNWQifs

[vinteuil]

The tories don't like the Scots - we are not people like them. .

... and yet, and yet - there used to be a solid tory ("Unionist") base in Scotland - in 1931 winning 79% of the seats - even as recently as 1955 getting over 50% of the votes and 36 of the 71 seats...

[MrGongGong]

... and yet, and yet - there used to be a solid tory ("Unionist") base in Scotland - in 1931 winning 79% of the seats - even as recently as 1955 getting over 50% of the votes and 36 of the 71 seats...

I don't think this bunch of spivs are the same "tories" at all.

[french frank]

I don't think Scottish disillusion with Westminster is to do with control of education at all

I was misled by your mention of Scottish students into thinking that the fact that they were students was supposed to be significant.

I'm not sure who (exactly) it is people 'can't trust', given that the parliamentary party itself was split in the Commons fees vote (and the rest of the thousands of PBI weren't consulted).

[french frank]

But they all got their come-uppance on Thursday.

The Tories didn't. They held on to 100% of their seats.

[subcontrabass]

Gove to be Justice Secretary:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32679004

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/09/michael-gove-justice-chief-cabinet-conservatives-election

[MrGongGong]

I was misled by your mention of Scottish students into thinking that the fact that they were students was supposed to be significant.

I'm not sure who (exactly) it is people 'can't trust', given that the parliamentary party itself was split in the Commons fees vote (and the rest of the thousands of PBI weren't consulted).

I think it's significant that they are youngsters voting for the first time
but also that they aren't necessarily representative of the whole country

To spell it out

People trusted the Lib Dems last time
they betrayed the trust by voting for things (not just tuition fees) they claimed to be opposed to whilst trying to hold onto the idea that they were a party of principle
(we really have been round this a thousand times!) the details don't matter, what matters is whether people are honest or not.
That's also a point about 'self interest', many people prefer ethical behaviour even if it makes them worse off financially.


(It's not that the Labour party are any different, they weren't planning to abolish free schools)

[Frances_iom]

Both Labour + Tories took Scotland for granted (eg Thatcher that her gov could trial run unpopular measures and Labour just assuming the Scots were vote-fodder) - actually a fairly typical example of English Imperialism
- the Referendum was won by the 'stay in' side based on fear of the unknown (loss of jobs, loss of the pound, no guarantee of remaining in EU which actually funds some key Scots infrastructure and is I think viewed favourably by most Scots),
the Tories used the SNP as a 'fear' weapon (coupled to the obvious unelectability of adenoidal kid as I pointed out some time ago) - Camerloon won't have time (nor does the EU have any inclination to really help) to get any significant changes in EU membership and given that a significant part of his party and much of the tabloid press have succeeded in portraying the EU only in a bad light I can see a referendum (unless totally rigged) actually giving an exit vote by the English but with the Scots wanting to stay in - at which time full devolution + applying to join EU might well see Scotland become with Irish Republic the preferred English speaking springboard into EU

[french frank]

Gove to be Justice Secretary

No justice, eh?

Council results interesting. It may show a north-south divide (I presume that), but there can't be much doubt left that that represents a genuine swing to the Tories after five years in government.

UKIP and the Greens (especially the Greens) benefit from the hole-in-the-middle gap where the LibDems used to be, nature abhorring a vacuum.

[french frank]

the details don't matter

Oh, quite.

[MrGongGong]

http://protesthome.com/thousands-protest-tory-government-general-election-downing-street/

[MrGongGong]

Oh, quite.

They really don't
It is very simple
You either are honest about these things or you aren't
If you aren't you can't be trusted
I've had this discussion with lots of students who almost unanimously say the same thing, even those who would be tory voters or who see the merits of what happened

Principles matter (or used to)

The SNP seemed to appeal to the idea of being principled and probably picked up votes from those folks who felt that the others really didn't have any principles or core beliefs.

[french frank]

MrGongGong, You blether without answering the question. The leadership has resigned, the MPs who voted for anything are out - and you don't say WHO it is can't be trusted - other than those who had no responsibility.

[MrGongGong]

MrGongGong, You blether without answering the question. The leadership has resigned, the MPs who voted for anything are out - and you don't say WHO it is can't be trusted - other than those who had no responsibility.

If that is the question
Then the Lib Dems as a party can't be trusted, that means ALL of them (which isn't to say that the others can)
The leadership has resigned BUT they will still maintain that they were right and acted in the interests of the country (which is what Paddy Ashdown kept banging on about on TV last night)

You don't seem to think that people are put off by dishonesty and complicity

I do

and

What Buckminster Fuller said

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

The Tories didn't. They held on to 100% of their seats.

Wirral?
Dewsbury?
etc?