Originally posted by MrGongGong
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So long
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostIf that's all you think it has been, I'm not surprised that you should wish to be rid of the inconvenience. I would see it somewhat differently. For me it's been pleasurable and enlightening to read the consistently serious contributions made here by several people, and to take part in discussions which have often caused me to form more coherently and with more supporting evidence what my thoughts and opinions are on some issue or other.
I feel the opposite: arguments (and even evidence) which results in conclusions which don't coincide with either principled or instinctive views are simply ignored.
And people wheel out the old 'no such thing as right and left'. Call them up and down, in and out: there are only two sides of the fence. In fact you (who as I made it clear, I had no quarrel with), as I see it, find common ground with those you agree with, who are coming from the same place.
But, as I said, if you want to continue the debates with the same people, PM them and invite them to follow you on to your alternative forum(s). I wonder who would get the invitations and who wouldn't?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostWhat's with the whole "serious" thing anyway?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostGongers, you're the Katie Derham of political debate. She presents on R3 as if it's all supposed to be funny.Last edited by ahinton; 31-12-14, 17:30.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostGongers, you're the Katie Derham of political debate. She presents on R3 as if it's all supposed to be funny.
I don't think everything is funny or should be seen to be
BUT I do think much of what many folks spout in the course "political debate" is ridiculous, pompous and worthy of ridicule.
(at least I don't "conduct" like KD :whistle: )
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostI thought that we weren't supposed to post derogatory remarks about 3 presenters on this forum!
Oh, you meant comparing her to Gongers? Point taken. :-)It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostWas that derogatory? If I'd said, Gongers you're as [supply personally derogatory description] as KD, that would be derogatory.
Originally posted by french frank View PostI felt that she was inappropriately flippant in presenting Zaïs last week - but I would call that critical rather than derogatory, and of her presentation not of her personally.
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Anna
If I may say something about the closure of the P&CA forum.
I haven't said a lot here, but I have read a great amount. In fact I think I have got more heated about recycling (and why don't the English do it?), and green issues. However, it was quite fun, although exhausting jousting, with the kippers and trade barriers and, I really have to say this, I always found Richard's contributions about Marxism most interesting, if incomprehensible in the execution thereof. I will miss the occasional thought provoking views.
I will not miss the Yahboo Sucks! My Dad is bigger than your Dad, I'll see you Jimmy, outside, banter
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Originally posted by Anna View PostI think I have got more heated about recycling (and why don't the English do it?)
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Although I'm an irregular contributor and don't expect my words to carry much weight, I'll leave them anyway.
I must say I sympathise with french frank's position, she has set up a forum with certain purposes in mind, and finds it is also being used for other purposes which in various ways cause her some stress. It seems reasonable that she wants it to stop.
But I would also say I have found the P&CA forum a source of much intelligent political debate, and would not agree that comments here don't change anything (as ff suggested elsewhere). I think some of us reading, and who knows even some taking part, may find themselves changed slightly as a result of what is said here.
I'd agree with the example of Marxism mentioned above, and some of aeolium's posts have been for me fascinating in revealing fresh angles on situations, some of Beef Oven's flying in the face of the prevailing tendency here have also been dynamic and revealing. They are just some examples but there are many other posters who also have very interesting things to say.
The yah-boo-sucks stuff seems to enter human debate in all spheres, not just in the twilight world of the P&CA forum, but as I understand it this is what most bothers ff and she feels reflects badly on the for3 org, as well as PM's to her complaining about other members have said. These things must be stressful and I can empathise with sbdy wanting them to stop, we only have so much energy to give any one thing (and this 'thing' is after all ff's), but I personally will miss the debate here and feel the forum will lose an integral part of its very engaging character when it goes.
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