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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37715

    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
    Top 5 democracies? On whose say-so?

    Any chance of a reference?
    I wondered that too, and only refrained from asking because I feared he would name the countries where the banks that caused the 2008 crash were based.

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    • amateur51

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      I wondered that too, and only refrained from asking because I feared he would name the countries where the banks that caused the 2008 crash were based.
      A glance at the methodology might be revealing too.

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      • MrGongGong
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
        So Mr GG thinks music groups and bands are a really super idea ....?
        Don't you think music is a good idea?

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        • MrGongGong
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 18357

          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
          Ok, tell us a little bit about a different way of going about it.
          Here's a simple answer
          When you find yourself in intensive care kept alive by machines the people who decide what happens to stop you dying tend to know more than you do about the human body and how it works.
          SO how about asking people who DO know stuff rather than letting every pub bore have a say in what happens?

          An awareness of this would be a start IMV but who in politics has the humility to say "we don't know, lets ask someone who does"?

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          • amateur51

            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
            Here's a simple answer
            When you find yourself in intensive care kept alive by machines the people who decide what happens to stop you dying tend to know more than you do about the human body and how it works.
            SO how about asking people who DO know stuff rather than letting every pub bore have a say in what happens?

            An awareness of this would be a start IMV but who in politics has the humility to say "we don't know, lets ask someone who does"?
            Dr David Nutt was Chair of the Advisory Council On The Misuse of Drugs but he came up with a report that HMG didn't agree with politically and out he went - Alan Johnson's least edifying moment sadly

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37715

              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              Here's a simple answer
              When you find yourself in intensive care kept alive by machines the people who decide what happens to stop you dying tend to know more than you do about the human body and how it works.
              SO how about asking people who DO know stuff rather than letting every pub bore have a say in what happens?

              An awareness of this would be a start IMV but who in politics has the humility to say "we don't know, lets ask someone who does"?
              Trouble is the premium on knowledge under capitalism that goes either under "intellectual property" or "commercial secrecy", even in the "public sector".

              Breaking this would be breaking a cardinal prerequisite of capitalism.

              The only living exception to this I can think of was co-operation between dissident scientists in Eastern Europe and one Western musician who happens to run a record label for jazz and improv and was also a scientist in particle physics based in Oxford, (you may know who), but that was before the fall of the Berlin Wall allowed western firms to get their teeth into who was allowed to know what, and everything became even less transparent than under so-called Communism.

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                Here's a simple answer
                When you find yourself in intensive care kept alive by machines the people who decide what happens to stop you dying tend to know more than you do about the human body and how it works.
                SO how about asking people who DO know stuff rather than letting every pub bore have a say in what happens?

                An awareness of this would be a start IMV but who in politics has the humility to say "we don't know, lets ask someone who does"?
                Who is it that 'asks people who know'?
                Who are the people who know?
                What is it that the people who know, know about?

                And do you think that this will lead to greater democracy, and knock constitutional monarchies of the #1 & #2 spots of the top democracies in the global democracy rankings?

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30335

                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  SO how about asking people who DO know stuff rather than letting every pub bore have a say in what happens?
                  Government by the professional elite? Or what "stuff"?
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • ahinton
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 16123

                    Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                    Grateful thanks, ahinton, for accepting the apology offered to Mr GongGong ... :-)
                    By "accepting" it, I meant, of course, that I "accepted" that you had the grace to make it; you can be quite hard work sometimes...

                    Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                    Are you advocating that those who don't vote should be represented by a Nobody Party with a Nobody elected in every constituency when the greatest number of the electorate don't vote for Anybody?
                    Did I say so? There are times when the question that you ask are almost as bizarre as the statements that you make.

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16123

                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      Don't you think music is a good idea?
                      If he doesn't, one might well question what he's doing here, but let's not assume anything at this point...

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                      • Beef Oven!
                        Ex-member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                        you can be quite hard work sometimes...
                        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        • Serial_Apologist
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 37715

                          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          At least ahinton's contributions have the merit of being clearly and unambiguously expressed, unlike your and PG Tipps's often cryptic ones needing further elucidation as to meaning.

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                          • Beef Oven!
                            Ex-member
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 18147

                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            At least ahinton's contributions have the merit of being clearly and unambiguously expressed, unlike your and PG Tipps's often cryptic ones needing further elucidation as to meaning.
                            And unlike your, now-undecipherable oldy-worldy SWSO lexicon, I'd say. Three cheers for ahinton!

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20570

                              Please refrain from hurling insults at fellow firm members.

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                              • Beef Oven!
                                Ex-member
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 18147

                                Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                                Please refrain from hurling insults at fellow firm members.
                                No-one is hurling anything, please do not exaggerate.

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