Militant students at Warwick

[MrGongGong]

You are quite deliberately wrong, as you well know.

If you are 'sure' kindly let us all know when and where I have expressed support for 'thuggery in some contexts'

And if you don't know what 'thuggery' means buy yourself a dictionary!

My spilling might be rong
but i'm shure you have expressed support for actions by state forces that would also be included in the term 'thuggery' ?

[P. G. Tipps]

You might be 'sure' but, once again, you are hopelessly wrong.

Please do provide any evidence at all that I have ever 'expressed support' for thuggish actions by 'state forces', or, better still, stop spouting the first bit of nonsense that comes into your head.

Remember, poor ahinton will be waiting patiently for an answer and I would hate to hear of him passing away through shortage of breath ...

[MrGongGong]

You might be 'sure' but, once again, you are hopelessly wrong.

Please do provide any evidence at all that I have ever 'expressed support' for thuggish actions by 'state forces', or, better still, stop spouting the first bit of nonsense that comes into your head.

Remember, poor ahinton will be waiting patiently for an answer and I would hate to hear of him passing away through shortage of breath ...

My computer has developed a rather alarming auto spealing cowecction bug

Sadly it's not possible to search the basement threads and if you think I'm going to spend all day manually doing it when there are goats to sacrifice you are much mistaken!

[ahinton]

I have absolutely no problem with you holding your breath, ahinton ...

My answer to all your questions has already been provided in previous posts and I do get weary of your frequent responses that no 'answers' have been forthcoming.

If you believe the only 'answer' to your questions is one of complete accord with your own confused and rambling 'answers' then it is only fair to point out that you are indeed highly unlikely to find any such 'answers' ...

Sorry!

No need to apologise and no, the only answers that I seek are honest and informative ones that actually address directly the content af the questions, irrespective of whether or not or to what extent I might agree with any or all of them.

I asked you four questions and all that you providd in response was that thuggery is inexcusable; I do not see how that provides a proper answer to any of those questions. If you don't want to answer them, then fine - just say so. "Thuggery is inexcusable" is most especially a non-answer to the third of those questions.

[ahinton]

I can see you (like me) have been consulting Wiki and you have simply picked out the few bits of information that suit your case ... and there you go again, making excuses, not a word of condemnation of those who did cause the trouble, just the usual 'police provocation' and 'it's all the fault of capitalism' irrelevancies.

If the statement that "of the quarter of a million or so people who took part in the demonstration of 31 March 1990, only a small minority were involved in acts of violence against property, and still fewer against persons" is true (and you do not claim otherwise), I would hardly regard it as one of "the few bits of information that suit [RB's - or, for that matter, anyone's] case"; indeed, I'd have thought it to be a fact crucial to proper understanding of what happened on that occasion.

Your assertion that RB wrote or even implied that "it's all the fault of capitalism" is clearly unfounded; he wrote (quoting S-A) that "in the name of profit and shareholders[,] capitalism has wrought more damage in terms of public disruption, damage to property, the person and the environment than any street marches or demonstrations" and the crucial word there is "more"; whilst the principle behind this may be an "irrelevancy" to you, that does not necessarily make it so to others.

I know that you're not addressing this to me, but to your "not a word of condemnation of those who did cause the trouble", I will confirm that I do condemn those who did this, not least because such behaviour risks undermining the cause concerned but, in so doing, I am mindful that they were and almost always are a tiny minority of demonstration participants.

I said right at the beginning that such demos and marches tend to be hijacked by anarchist thugs which of course doesn't mean that the great majority of marchers have violence in mind.

You did indeed, but you make no more mention of the fact that this by no means applies to all such demonstrations as you do of what it is that this "great majority of marchers" do "have in mind".

[MrGongGong]

I think the gist of monkeyboys argument is that
ALL people who go on demonstrations are by definition childish and potentially dangerous
Most people grow out of this and if they still want to change things get involved in joining political parties and stand for election
Those who don't do this are dangerous anarchists

oh and (AGAIN!!!) "anarchists" are always in search of violence

What they all really need is some nice 'relaxing' classical music, don't you think?

[ahinton]

I think the gist of monkeyboys argument is that
ALL people who go on demonstrations are by definition childish and potentially dangerous

It does indeed appear that way, despite evidence to the contrary.

Most people grow out of this and if they still want to change things get involved in joining political parties and stand for election

WHen there is one - and they might not get elected anyway. Hmmm...

Those who don't do this are dangerous anarchists

Oh, of course - mind you, is there such a thing as a non-dangerous anarchist?(!)...

oh and (AGAIN!!!) "anarchists" are always in search of violence

Doesn't say much for anarchists who confine their anarchic activities to writing about it, does it?

What they all really need is some nice 'relaxing' classical music, don't you think?

Oh, absolutely!

[Richard Barrett]

Some of my best friends are anarchists. They tend on the whole to be gentle, intelligent and insightful people in my experience. PGT's experience of anarchists is presumably different (or perhaps nonexistent).

[P. G. Tipps]

Some of my best friends are anarchists. They tend on the whole to be gentle, intelligent and insightful people in my experience. PGT's experience of anarchists is presumably different (or perhaps nonexistent).

Well, would you believe it ... some of Mr Barrett's best friends are anarchists. His experience of these anarchists is that, 'on the whole, they are gentle, intelligent and insightful people'!

Just like himself, no doubt ... openly (and almost boastfully) condoning street violence to achieve an end, not caring who or what it hurts in the process.

He is right on one thing, though. Mercifully, I don't have any friends like that.

[P. G. Tipps]

My computer has developed a rather alarming auto spealing cowecction bug

Sadly it's not possible to search the basement threads and if you think I'm going to spend all day manually doing it when there are goats to sacrifice you are much mistaken!

Thanks for your apology!

[Richard Barrett]

openly (and almost boastfully) condoning street violence

Where do you get "almost boastfully" from, pray tell?

[MrGongGong]

Where do you get "almost boastfully" from, pray tell?

He made that up.

[P. G. Tipps]

I know that you're not addressing this to me, but to your "not a word of condemnation of those who did cause the trouble", I will confirm that I do condemn those who did this, not least because such behaviour risks undermining the cause concerned but, in so doing, I am mindful that they were and almost always are a tiny minority of demonstration participants.

This almost completely echoes #190, the only real difference being your somewhat belated, if welcome, condemnation of the violence.

So why are you addressing this to me and not, say, Mr Barrett?

[P. G. Tipps]

Where do you get "almost boastfully" from, pray tell?

You seemed to be proud of not condemning the violence .... ?

[P. G. Tipps]

He made that up.

Well you are certainly one of the foremost forum practitioners when it comes to expert fabrication Mr GongGong ... :-)