The Remembrance Day thread

[MrGongGong]

http://undergroundmgzn.com/2014/11/11/tower-london-poppies-obliterated-machine-guns/

[P. G. Tipps]

I suspect Barry's Tea has been applying the Prof Says "Stockhausen Test"

(I discovered this week that the BBC Proms staff have a thing about this well known Irish beverage)

'I've never listened to any, but it's obviously crap
the things I like are obviously for those of superior intelligence and taste'

Try this one Barry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg8e...8&spfreload=10

Just opened my ears and I've decided our cat can do better than that, Jimmy ...

[P. G. Tipps]

Here's an actual video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OA8HFUNfIk
It's only an excerpt but interesting to see the instruments and how they're played (always assuming a certain level of curiosity of course)

Maybe ... but it's the sound we are supposed to be interested in ... and that sounds to me a bit like the finish of a Karaoke session in Glasgow at 2 am on a Sunday morning.

I'm not knocking your taste in music, though ... everyone to their own, I say!

PS ...Sorry its your singers link that sounds like the Karaoke ... this one sounds more like the neighbours cat.

[MrGongGong]

I'm not knocking your taste in music, though ... everyone to their own, I say!

You might say it BUT you obviously don't mean it
as you seem to think that listening to the music YOU like makes you more intelligent

finish of a Karaoke session in Glasgow

"Sho me the way to go home" ?

(look it up)

[Richard Barrett]

that sounds to me a bit like the finish of a Karaoke session in Glasgow at 2 am on a Sunday morning.

Exactly the kind of response you'd expect from someone who uses, in his own words, "greater intelligence and effort (and therefore discipline) to listen".

[teamsaint]

Well of course I'm only expressing my opinion. Its simply that you (and a few others) appear to be grossly intolerant of any opinions that conflict with your own.

However, I do confess I've never listened to Javanese gamelan music or Indian dhrupad singing and, in any case, I was referring to European culture which is the one to which the overwhelming majority of us are most familiar, I suspect. Another member referred to 'rock', not I!

As for Scott Walker, was he one of the Walker Bros singing some very silly American pop songs way back in the Sixties? (IMHO, of course!)

whatever one thinks of Scott Walkers recent work, he is a musician on a mission, ( not making money)and with all faculties fully engaged.
And, which is so critical,he sounds like nobody else that I know of.

All power to Him. he makes me think about music and issues, ( in ways that not every piece of "classical " music does,) ,and surprisingly, I sometimes find myself singing or whistling bits from his recent albums......honestly...

[Richard Barrett]

I'm not knocking your taste in music, though

So you claim. But I haven't said anywhere that the examples I brought up were "my taste in music", just that they would tend to contradict your silly idea that "it takes greater intelligence and effort (and therefore discipline) to listen to classical music (...) than any other genre"; your comments on them, furthermore, are not exactly evidence of "intelligence and effort (and therefore discipline", are they? They look a lot more like evidence of a narrow mind hooked up to a glib tongue. Are those now to be understood as signs of intelligence?

[visualnickmos]

Which does rather sound like a cartoon caption

I can see the image now!

[Petrushka]

Listening, as opposed to hearing, classical music requires a more than reasonable knowledge of history, literature, languages, art and the arts in general in a way that other genres do not and for this reason, I'd still contend that classical music listeners are more 'intelligent' (for want of a better word) and without any connotations of superiority that that might imply.

In amongst that discussion, sight seems to have been lost of why there is a need for those influenced by the civilising nature of the Arts and music to indulge in foul language? Aside from the fact that it is against the Forum house rules, I have always considered that anyone who resorts to it in debate has already lost the argument. Moreover, it shows a poor vocabulary. While I certainly used bad language in my younger days, I never do so now, never feel the need to and I put that down to what I term the 'civilising nature of the Arts'.

In the spirit of consideration for others and the reputation of the Forum in general, can I ask members who indulge in it to desist?

[P. G. Tipps]

So you claim. But I haven't said anywhere that the examples I brought up were "my taste in music", just that they would tend to contradict your silly idea that "it takes greater intelligence and effort (and therefore discipline) to listen to classical music (...) than any other genre"; your comments on them, furthermore, are not exactly evidence of "intelligence and effort (and therefore discipline", are they? They look a lot more like evidence of a narrow mind hooked up to a glib tongue. Are those now to be understood as signs of intelligence?

Whilst I readily concede my many human failings and shortcomings I certainly won't take lectures from the likes of your very goodself on the subjects of 'narrow mindedness' or levels of intelligence.

This what you posted on another thread:

<Today the Guardian front page reads: "UK gains £20bn from EU migrants". The Mail's headline reads: "Sex shame of Libyan warriors invited to train in UK". Both are of course aimed at a certain kind of core readership and present themselves accordingly. Given the choice would you prefer to be treated as an intelligent human being with rational views about affairs of state or as an imbecile who's going to lap up a salacious story that promises to combine sex, Muslims, the "war on terror", immigration and no doubt more sex? This is why the Mail comes in for criticism in these parts. Whichever way you look at it, knowledge is not equivalent to ignorance.>

So there you have it ... Guardian readers have knowledge and intelligence whilst Daily Mail readers are ignorant imbeciles.

At least I can claim to have never demonstrated such extremes of "intellectual snobbery" about those who listen to rock music ... or even Scott Walker!

So less of the blatant humbug, please ...

[Richard Barrett]

So there you have it ... Guardian readers have knowledge and intelligence whilst Daily Mail readers are ignorant imbeciles.

... which of course is not what I said, it's clear I was talking about how these media treat their readers, not what those readers are. If you're really that interested in searching through my posts you'll find that I'll never describe anyone as being "an imbecile", as opposed to saying or doing stupid things which everyone is capable of. So much for "blatant humbug."

[Richard Barrett]

it shows a poor vocabulary

This is what my mother used to tell me when I was a child, and since then I've come to realise that it isn't true, or at least there's no necessary connection between using language in a particular way and having a poor vocabulary. As for "the civilising nature of the arts", I think that idea was blown out of the water by the Nazis. I dont know why there's a fuss here about "bad language" or whatever you want to call it. If it's against the forum rules that should really be the end of the matter.

[P. G. Tipps]

This is what my mother used to tell me when I was a child, and since then I've come to realise that it isn't true ... .

So you're now saying your very own mum was ignorant as well?

Are there any depths to which a member will not sink ... ? :-)

As for "the civilising nature of the arts", I think that idea was blown out of the water by the Nazis.

And, oh, you failed to mention the Reds as well ...

One wonders whether both sets of self-styled socialists were really interested in the arts or merely using carefully-chosen examples of the arts for political propaganda purposes?

[Flosshilde]

your very goodself

If he's not Scotty he seems to have absorbed a number of Scottycisms.

[visualnickmos]

So there you have it ... Guardian readers have knowledge and intelligence whilst Daily Mail readers are ignorant imbeciles.

Yup.