Surely there are more important things that hair colour ?

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  • jean
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    • Nov 2010
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    #46
    There's a good point there, though.

    I once taught at a school which, consciously or unconsciously, excluded the poorest by requiring the uniform (a shade of blue slightly but noticably different from the standard navy) to be bought at a particular very expensive outfitters'.

    When I pointed out the effect of this, the deputy head told me that poorer parents could easily supply themselves at the school's second-hand uniform sales.

    She could never understand that it's the confident middle classes who do that sort of thing.

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    • Beef Oven!
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      • Sep 2013
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      #47
      Originally posted by ahinton View Post
      enough said, methinks.
      Crikey! That's not like you!

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      • MrGongGong
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        • Nov 2010
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        #48
        Originally posted by jean View Post
        There's a good point there, though.

        I once taught at a school which, consciously or unconsciously, excluded the poorest by requiring the uniform (a shade of blue slightly but noticably different from the standard navy) to be bought at a particular very expensive outfitters'.

        When I pointed out the effect of this, the deputy head told me that poorer parents could easily supply themselves at the school's second-hand uniform sales.

        She could never understand that it's the confident middle classes who do that sort of thing.
        Good point
        I've also come across this kind of nonsense and not just when I was at school

        (I think we've done the "teenagers at university interviews in suits" thing before)

        I think (like the modelling of computer OS on Offices) there is an easy to read narrative about what constitutes "work" and what clothing is deemed to be "appropriate".
        Here are some of the most intelligent scientists in the world



        spot the tie.... (spot the woman ?)

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        • jean
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          • Nov 2010
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          #49
          On school uniform in general, anyopne who went to school in the 50s will remember that it was a preserve of the grammar and private schools - no uniform fro the sec mods.

          So naturally, any comprehensive that wanted to be regarded as a 'good' school gave itself a uniform, too. As nearly all of them still do.

          And to some extent its observation becomes a game between authorities and pupils, who see how far they can push it before being sanctioned.

          It's not unreasonable for the school in this case not to want the entire school turning out in pink wigs as a default position. And the child in question could have had a beautiful flamboyant wig in a more natural colour to wear in school - but that should have been quietly negotiated behind the scenes. The child should never have been told to take the wig off in the classroom.

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
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            #50
            Originally posted by jean View Post
            There's a good point there, though.

            I once taught at a school which, consciously or unconsciously, excluded the poorest by requiring the uniform (a shade of blue slightly but noticably different from the standard navy) to be bought at a particular very expensive outfitters'.

            When I pointed out the effect of this, the deputy head told me that poorer parents could easily supply themselves at the school's second-hand uniform sales.

            She could never understand that it's the confident middle classes who do that sort of thing.
            I used to do that sort of thing. I'm middle class , but not very confident. <confused smileything>

            Luckily my kids never grew fast, so uniform was relatively cheap for us, as it didn't need replacing very often.
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • Beef Oven!
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              • Sep 2013
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              #51
              Originally posted by jean View Post
              There's a good point there, though.

              I once taught at a school which, consciously or unconsciously, excluded the poorest by requiring the uniform (a shade of blue slightly but noticably different from the standard navy) to be bought at a particular very expensive outfitters'.

              When I pointed out the effect of this, the deputy head told me that poorer parents could easily supply themselves at the school's second-hand uniform sales.

              She could never understand that it's the confident middle classes who do that sort of thing.
              I must confess that I had no idea that this sort of thing happened, at least in state schools.

              The outfitters for our local schools sold very cheap blazers and other items. There was some variance in quality, but not much.

              My experience was that the uniform was a great leveller. I was very pleased with it, and thankful.

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              • MrGongGong
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                • Nov 2010
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                #52
                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                My experience was that the uniform was a great leveller. .
                Other myths are available
                but just keep repeating it and people will believe you

                and anyway your "anecdotes" don't count :wink:

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                • jean
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #54
                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  Other myths are available
                  Such as?

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                  • Beef Oven!
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                    • Sep 2013
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                    #55
                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                    Other myths are available
                    but just keep repeating it and people will believe you

                    and anyway your "anecdotes" don't count :wink:
                    No myth, it was a bloody relief for me, and my parents not to have to worry about clothes for most of the week. And that was the same for most of the people I knew, back then.

                    And then punk came along and all you needed was a black t-shirt, some safety pins, and Bob's yer mum's brother!

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                    • P. G. Tipps
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                      • Jun 2014
                      • 2978

                      #56
                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      Good point
                      I've also come across this kind of nonsense and not just when I was at school

                      (I think we've done the "teenagers at university interviews in suits" thing before)

                      I think (like the modelling of computer OS on Offices) there is an easy to read narrative about what constitutes "work" and what clothing is deemed to be "appropriate".
                      Here are some of the most intelligent scientists in the world



                      spot the tie.... (spot the woman ?)
                      Yes, but they only look like your usual scruffy European scientists ... and the woman is near the top RHS just behind the big scruffy scientist in the light blue shirt?

                      Edit: Think I've just spotted another woman but I'm not telling!!

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                      • Beef Oven!
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                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        #57
                        Originally posted by jean View Post

                        Plenty of kids 'rebel' by dying their hair 'outrageous' colours, and get sent home by the school - and are allowed back when they've got something sensible going on, on their bonce. Why didn't the school do the same with her? Or maybe that's what they did do, in effect.

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                        • MrGongGong
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #58
                          Originally posted by jean View Post
                          different school

                          More than 30 pupils are sent home from a West Yorkshire academy as the head teacher continues enforcing a strict uniform policy.

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                          • Beef Oven!
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                            • Sep 2013
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                            #59
                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                            "Miss Hickey said she was not prepared to change her daughter's footwear as she has been wearing the same shoes to school for the past two years."

                            I hope she means the same type of shoes! Off to Robben Island with her, if not.

                            The trouble is, some adults never got over their child-hood battles with 'school', so they carry the battle on with through their children. And so on.

                            Recognise that phenomenon, MrGG? <whistlethingy>

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                            • Flosshilde
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #60
                              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                              I wonder what the uniform for headmistresses is? Surely a gown & mortarboard would be appropriate?

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