State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

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  • Serial_Apologist
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 37707

    Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
    That may well be true but, according to my dictionary, a 'witch' is 'commonly portrayed as a wicked old woman', so I feel confident jean will vehemently disagree with you on that?

    However, on what the official and mandatory PC view is on the matter I am rather less confident, S_A ...
    I suppose anyone, of either sex, could be described as a witch for casting a spell over a sizeable section of a nation's population for a considerable length of time; so I'm going to defend use of the term in reference to Mrs T.

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    • jean
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7100

      If anyone had ever used 'witch' to describe a male politician, I'd agree. But AFAIK they haven't.

      That's why I wasn't especially happy about that song being sung around the time of her death.

      It rather trivialises her vileness, IMO.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37707

        Originally posted by jean View Post
        If anyone had ever used 'witch' to describe a male politician, I'd agree. But AFAIK they haven't.

        That's why I wasn't especially happy about that song being sung around the time of her death.

        It rather trivialises her vileness, IMO.
        Fair comment.

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        • Beef Oven!
          Ex-member
          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          Originally posted by jean View Post
          If anyone had ever used 'witch' to describe a male politician, I'd agree. But AFAIK they haven't.

          That's why I wasn't especially happy about that song being sung around the time of her death.

          It rather trivialises her vileness, IMO.
          And is sexist?

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          • jean
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 7100

            I think you could say that. But then, so is calling her a lady, as Mr Tipps rather cringingly does in his #1440.

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            • Beef Oven!
              Ex-member
              • Sep 2013
              • 18147

              Originally posted by jean View Post
              I think you could say that. But then, so is calling her a lady.
              I could say many things, the question was really whether you think pejoratively referring to a female as a witch is sexist. How about a simple yes or no answer, with no strings attached?

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              • ahinton
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 16123

                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                I could say many things, the question was really whether you think pejoratively referring to a female as a witch is sexist. How about a simple yes or no answer, with no strings attached?
                I know that you weren't asking me, but I would say that it wasn't; such reference need to be understood in the particular context in which they are made.

                That said, any chance of further comments from anyone on the State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms? Just a thought...

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                • Flosshilde
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7988

                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  No. Calling a woman a witch is misogynist, sexist etc, and people should not talk about any women like that.
                  It might be misogynist, but I don't think it's sexist.

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                  • P. G. Tipps
                    Full Member
                    • Jun 2014
                    • 2978

                    Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                    It might be misogynist, but I don't think it's sexist.
                    No, that only applies if it's misandristic ...

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                    • amateur51

                      Farage's personal insights into Kerry Smith ... it's all down to those snobbish people in London

                      Ukip leader Nigel Farage defends the use of the word 'chinky' after Kerry Smith, a Ukip parliamentary candidate was sacked after using the term


                      Nick Ferrari is trying to keep his face straight.

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        Originally posted by jean View Post
                        I think you could say that. But then, so is calling her a lady, as Mr Tipps rather cringingly does in his #1440.
                        is calling a man a gentleman a problem too?

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                        • P. G. Tipps
                          Full Member
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 2978

                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          is calling a man a gentleman a problem too?
                          Oh yes, it is gender specific and therefore sexist and also clearly misogynistic as it suggests the male being addressed is nice and sweet and not, as we all know, a potential rapist.

                          The word itself is a clear product of the male hierarchal system and it's use is now discouraged by BBC Management, and Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, and hopefully eventually within the British Army itself.

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                            Oh yes, it is gender specific and therefore sexist and also clearly misogynistic as it suggests the male being addressed is nice and sweet and not, as we all know, a potential rapist.
                            Feeling better now love?
                            I've put the kettle on

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16123

                              Any chance of further comments from anyone on the State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms? Or has that one outlived its usefulness or gone its distance or both?...

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                              • MrGongGong
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                I think (getting back on task) that when asked about policy that most people would actually be supporters of the Green Party, but alas people prefer the theatre.

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