State of the parties as 2015 General Election looms.

[Beef Oven!]

Of course whether the MP who posted the photo knew it or not
She appears to have, and by some bizarre random process, found someone who fits all the 'stereotypes'

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/white-van-dan-unveils-his-vision-for-the-country--lyTRbadzde

aaah
but we aren't supposed to "mock" this man as he is speaking for the ordinary (hard working, cage fighting, child beating) "working class" of Engurluuuund

It's a stereotype, and you seem to be saying it's ok to do this, if you don't like the views of the subject. You've shot yourself in your foot with this argument, again.

And you are mocking him. This sort of smug arrogance, mocking, belittling and stigmatising, is all part of the political correct tactics.

Why do you say he'll break your legs if you hug him?

And btw, what a great Danifesto! I'd vote for hum.

[MrGongGong]

Why do you say he'll break your legs if you hug him?

The man is a part time "cage fighter"
so I would guess that he's not a member of the Quakers

Why is it not OK to criticise this mans "manifesto" but fine to make up nonsense about Bulgarians invading and taking "our" jobs?

You would vote for someone advocating beating children?

Nice to know where you stand :-(

[teamsaint]

Interesting (if not particularly original!) observations from Mr David Lammy MP.

If the Metropolitan Liberal (pseudo-Marxist) Elite and their PC fellow-travellers are unable to listen to the genuine concerns of some labelled as the 'indigenous white working-class' maybe they'll manage to grasp the somewhat blindingly-obvious comments from a non-indigenous member of their own Elite, instead?

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/pol...lammy-1.698088

There is NO marxism, pseudo or otherwise.

Just whiter shades of blue.

The metropolitan elites, assuming that they are not tories,( have we sorted out exactly who they are yet?), are probably just as busy flogging off everything to fund their pensions and their kids internships (or whatever)as the real conservatives.

[P. G. Tipps]

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Quite reasonable to suggest we beat children ?
Spot on

I think if you tried to hug him he would probably break your legs matey

So his idea about poppies and "free speech" ?

That's two of you in for bullets in feet this morning

You didn't bother to read my post just like you didn't listen to that lady in Rochester, did you, MrGongGong? I don't have the same hysterical objections to authorised corporal punishment (as opposed to 'child-beating') as you do. Though it may have not done me any good it certainly did me no harm and at least taught me to expect that pain may well follow misdemeanour in adult life!

Furthermore 'burning poppies' in public is not 'free speech' ... it is not even speech ... it is quite DELIBERATELY causing offence to others by outrageously INSENSITIVE actions. However, I wouldn't want to put people in jail for that ... that would be a gross insult to the other inmates, imv.

Strange, but hardly surprising, that burning poppies is one 'freedom' that some in the PC Brigade seem quite happy to promote.

[MrGongGong]

I don't have the same hysterical objections to authorised corporal punishment (as opposed to 'child-beating') as you do. .

Your "authorised corporal punishment" is child abuse and illegal

Don't do the "didn't do me any harm" crap

So lets get this straight
You think it's ok to insult people because of their skin colour or sexuality
but it's not OK to burn a paper poppy ?

And i've not heard anyone promoting burning paper poppies in here, have you?

[amateur51]

Put your underpants on the inside, now.

Political correctness is not about those things. Let me give you an example of how it works to suppress thought and freedom of thought. Although I didn't get involved in the same-sex marriage imbroglio thread, I did manage to explain that I was against it and felt that civil partnership had put a long-standing wrong, right. My simple view is that once conjugality and procreation are removed from marriage, all that's left is a contract between two people. Anyway, for this I have been described as homophobic, and some posters, much after the debate, and on a completely unrelated matter, have said things like 'and your views on same sex marriage are well known'. This targeted commentary makes people uncomfortable and reluctant to think for themselves. Similarly, people are labeled as racists if they communicate their belief that immigration is out of control and needs reform, sooner than later. It's not about calling people names MrGonGong, or saying they are smelly to their face. It's about corralling people into a leftist world-view.

Good to see the Enoch Powell/Nasty Party definition of 'not getting involved' raising its naive head again.

Like that nice Mr 'Eath, I'm not fooled :laughthingumeebobby:

Stay behind after class and precis Gramsci on hegemony :winkydoodah:

[amateur51]

I don't believe that homosexuals should have less rights than others. I believe that same sex marriage is a nonsense,

Oi I thought you weren't getting involved.

Yeah , right.

You frequently insult me as a gay man by telling me that I'm obsessed etc. (the etc are worse).

And yet you rattle on about your family like a fart in a colander.

Grow up!

[MrGongGong]

I believe that same sex marriage is a nonsense, because once conjugality and procreation are removed, marriage is simply a contract between two people.

Oh dear
Does this mean than people who are married and don't have children aren't really married ?
What utter tosh

YES it is simply a "contract" legally BUT what it means is different for different people.

Some people seem to want to control everything.

BUT back to politics?

[P. G. Tipps]

Your "authorised corporal punishment" is child abuse and illegal

The 'child abuse' bit is your opinion and certainly not mine. Homosexuality was recently illegal, are you now suggesting that the law should never have been changed?

Don't do the "didn't do me any harm" crap

Sorry, just done it ... and as I know more about 'me' than 'you' can possibly do, I think I may speak with rather more knowledge and authority on the matter of 'me' than 'you', don't 'you'?

So lets get this straight
You think it's ok to insult people because of their skin colour or sexuality
but it's not OK to burn a paper poppy ?

No, don't be silly, I think it's wrong to insult anyone though I'm admittedly finding it rather a struggle at present! :-) And, no, I don't think it's right to burn paper poppies. Both things have always seemed pretty straightforward to me and I'm astonished you even had to ask the question?

And i've not heard anyone promoting burning paper poppies in here, have you?

Well maybe 'condoning' might have been a better word. Here's your chance to come clean and say whether you condone/promote burning poppies or not, and also whether you are against insulting people of religious faith as well as those with a different colour of skin or sexual orientation?

[visualnickmos]

Hello amateur51

Those words that are in the quote above, are NOT my words, but Beefy's words in response to some words I made to him.

I hope you don't think I was insulting you!!!!

[Beef Oven!]

Your "authorised corporal punishment" is child abuse and illegal

Don't do the "didn't do me any harm" crap

So lets get this straight
You think it's ok to insult people because of their skin colour or sexuality
but it's not OK to burn a paper poppy ?

And i've not heard anyone promoting burning paper poppies in here, have you?

Why is the 'didn't do me any harm' idea crap? You and I went through that, along with millions of others, and I presume it did us no harm. The man makes himself clear. Discipline is lax. The schools run around sending letters home to parents about ear rings, skirts and have colour. It's a farce.

It's certainly not ok to burn a poppy in the context that it was done on Remebrance Sunday back in 2010. And Danny's right to say that stronger punishments are required. Emdadur Choudhury was fined £50. You get fined more for driving in a bus lane or parking on double yellow lines.

[MrGongGong]

Why is the 'didn't do me any harm' idea crap? You and I went through that, along with millions of others, and I presume it did us no harm.

You presume wrong

[amateur51]

You didn't bother to read my post just like you didn't listen to that lady in Rochester, did you, MrGongGong? I don't have the same hysterical objections to authorised corporal punishment (as opposed to 'child-beating') as you do. Though it may have not done me any good it certainly did me no harm and at least taught me to expect that pain may well follow misdemeanour in adult life!

Furthermore 'burning poppies' in public is not 'free speech' ... it is not even speech ... it is quite DELIBERATELY causing offence to others by outrageously INSENSITIVE actions. However, I wouldn't want to put people in jail for that ... that would be a gross insult to the other inmates, imv.

Strange, but hardly surprising, that burning poppies is one 'freedom' that some in the PC Brigade seem quite happy to promote.

Who is this PC Brigade?

I think it's a nom d' internet used by scottyTipps on the Mrs Dale's Diary Forum and he forgot :wheezylarf:

[amateur51]

Hello amateur51

Those words that are in the quote above, are NOT my words, but Beefy's words in response to some words I made to him.

I hope you don't think I was insulting you!!!!

Apols visuals, twas my fault - now amended I hope

[visualnickmos]

Apols visuals, twas my fault - now amended I hope

Phew! Thanks.....
Off to listen to some Vaughan Williams now......